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Old 09-20-2012, 11:24 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I have not watched this video with the sound on so I'm not sure if that matters, but what I saw was beyond resource guarding. He appears to initially be successful in forcing the dog off (I do not agree or condone how this was done). But then it looks like he literally has the dog backed into a corner and the dog just went into a fight or flight response. I'm not convinced that the dog was really biting him over the food or that it was a resource guarding bite. The dog realized this guy is a bully, backed her into a corner, and wouldn't leave. Food or not she had enough.

I've never had trouble with food. My dogs eat together, heck they even share high value food (see photo) but from day one I show them that they will always get fed and that when I come near, good things happen. I alternate between picking up the bowl, moving the bowl, adding more food to the bowl. A of times we don't even use bowls, I just scatter kibble and they all have fun nosing around for it. I never withhold meals. I use food and treats for training all the time but my dogs always get meals. They have no reason to fight each other or me over food. I do the same with my fosters (except I can't assume they aren't guarding when I get them so I go slowly at first). With my own dogs it's just never come up as an issue, but probably because strong leadership in general trickles down and they have no reason to think they need to fight in order to get their share. It is always provided for them, by me.

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Old 09-20-2012, 11:28 AM   #42 (permalink)
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It's the clear bias in all your posts and the blanket statements of being able to fix this dog without ever meeting it. Posting a video off YouTube that will solve all guarding issues.

You guys realize Cesar meets and observes the dog for much longer than what is shown on the show and for everyone to after the fact call him abusive and wrong is quite funny. I guess it is football season and we love being arm chair quarterbacks.

I guess we're all qualified and can list off a bunch of accomplishments at will but guess what, he's got just as many. Have you ever watched him feed his pack? It's amazing, 30 dog eating at once and never even looking at another dog's bowl. But I'm sure you can all train your dogs to do the same (all 30 of them).

Should also add that most of his dogs were problem cases at some point and he didn't raise them from puppies or get them from great breeders.

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A fifth grader could fix "this dog", or any dog, with food guarding issues, and the vids I have posted show how.
We've done it in our own home and so have others.

Grabbing your dog's food isn't the way to do it though, neither is leaning over them while eating.
Instead of making your dog less of a guarder, it makes them more intense and fearful about it all.

The dog peeing while eating speaks volumes of how little dogs like to be treated that way.
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That's what I was thinking too, Liesje. And I guess I feel that not every dog is going to go belly up when under attack. I would think that many of our dogs wouldn't when confronted by a stranger?
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A fifth grader could fix "this dog", or any dog, with food guarding issues, and the vids I have posted show how.
We've done it in our own home and so have others.


Grabbing your dog's food isn't the way to do it though, neither is leaning over them while eating.
Instead of making your dog less of a guarder, it makes them more intense and fearful about it all.

The dog peeing while eating speaks volumes of how little dogs like to be treated that way.
I wouldn't want a 5th grader near a dog like that. A 5th grader has not the experience to know when to walk away. That's the most irresponsible thing you have said and I agree with martem. Not every method works with every dog. And you don't know what he's done behind the scene to fix the problem.
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That's what I was thinking too, Liesje. And I guess I feel that not every dog is going to go belly up when under attack. I would think that many of our dogs wouldn't when confronted by a stranger?
Yeah I mean....I'm guessing many of our GSDs would have bit CM too...some random dude coming into THEIR yard backing them into a corner and posturing like that....uh uh! That is not about food but is just plain provocation.
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Yeah I mean....I'm guessing many of our GSDs would have bit CM too...some random dude coming into his yard backing them into a corner and posturing like that....uh uh! That is not about food but is just plain provocation.
Yeah, a friend of mine did that with my old boy. He is the most docile, laid back dog you can think of. I told him to not back him into a corner but he did it anyways, it went so fast I couldn't even react and even Yukon went into fight mode. It didn't went as far as a bite but it would have if he hadn't backed down that moment and if I hadn't interfered.
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It's the clear bias in all your posts and the blanket statements of being able to fix this dog without ever meeting it. Posting a video off YouTube that will solve all guarding issues.

You guys realize Cesar meets and observes the dog for much longer than what is shown on the show and for everyone to after the fact call him abusive and wrong is quite funny. I guess it is football season and we love being arm chair quarterbacks.

I guess we're all qualified and can list off a bunch of accomplishments at will but guess what, he's got just as many. Have you ever watched him feed his pack? It's amazing, 30 dog eating at once and never even looking at another dog's bowl. But I'm sure you can all train your dogs to do the same (all 30 of them).
If you think that this is a good method to use on any dog, any time, that's for you to decide. I wouldn't care how long someone spent with my dog, someone who crouched down and snarled and went at my dog like that would get a shovel to the head. So see, I can use aversives!

I do not feel it is a good idea to use that "technique" on any dog, any time.

Dogs get put to sleep in shelters every day for failing the food guarding test, often using a big vinyl hand on a stick. These are dogs who most likely have been inadvertently trained by their owners to guard their food, or dogs who have never had food to guard. Anyway, they don't make it to the adoption floor in most cases.

So for me, it is very important that my dogs and fosters are good about their food being handled.
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I wouldn't want a 5th grader near a dog like that. A 5th grader has not the experience to know when to walk away. That's the most irresponsible thing you have said and I agree with martem. Not every method works with every dog. And you don't know what he's done behind the scene to fix the problem.
He hasn't fixed ANY problems, that's the problem!

And you know what, my 5th grader did help with our F(ood)A(ggressive) dog. That dog was no longer FA when we got done, and the child was perfectly safe doing so. We worked with the dog beforehand to make sure she was.

That dog on the vid has no special powers or any special needs any other dog with food issues does, why would you think that??
She was a PUPPY from the sounds of the video description on Cm's website.
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The dog was not in a corner, she could have easily moved back or away. She chose to bite instead.

Cesar did not "create" that monster, the dog already had the food guarding issue, or he wouldn't be there. He simply brought it out and revealed it at its worst.

As I said, I am sure other methods had already been tried. They may not be shown because they are not as dramatic or exciting to viewers, and we are talking about mainstream media here, ratings and money.

Whether you agree or disagree whether it should have been done, the fact remains that this dog was revealed to be dangerously aggressive, unpredictable, and willing to bite at any time. If she'd have bitten him when he first moved her off the food bowl, that would be one thing, but she chose to bite at a moment that he had retreated, released the pressure, and was not threatening. She was not cornered or even leashed.
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