PETA and Bob Barker Calling for Mandatory Spay& Neuter Law!

[martemchik]

I don't think this law would ever pass, and if it did, who cares? How exactly are they going to enforce this? Are cops going to pull over every time they see a dog walking to check if they are spayed/neutered? Are we going to invest millions more in dollars to hire more pet police that would go around checking every pet?

The government should under no circumstances get involved in breeding. All of these COE breeders would be put out of business. There was a thread earlier in the year about what the government thinks is a good breeding program. It involved outdoor kennels, with certain space requirements per dog, ect ect, and under no circumstances a litter that gets raised "inside the home."

Half the time the problem isn't the law...its the regulation of the law, and in this case it would be impossible!

[MaggieRoseLee]

[Chris Wild]

I am re-opening this thread for discussion.

Politics as they relate *specifically* to dog related concerns such as mandatory S/N, BSL, breeder licensing, and similar topics are allowed. Certainly they are political in nature at times as they tend to center around legislation, however this is a dog board and these sort of topics are ones of which we all need to be aware and educated as they potentially affect all of us.

Please keep the discussion strictly to the dog related side of things. No reason to bring presidents and economics and political parties and foreign policy or any of those other clearly unrelated and taboo topics into it.

-Admin

[selzer]

Thanks Chris. I think the president comment was because of the news article saying that if they get enough signatures, the president will give some sort of statement.

Originally Posted by martemchik

I don't think this law would ever pass, and if it did, who cares? How exactly are they going to enforce this? Are cops going to pull over every time they see a dog walking to check if they are spayed/neutered? Are we going to invest millions more in dollars to hire more pet police that would go around checking every pet?

The government should under no circumstances get involved in breeding. All of these COE breeders would be put out of business. There was a thread earlier in the year about what the government thinks is a good breeding program. It involved outdoor kennels, with certain space requirements per dog, ect ect, and under no circumstances a litter that gets raised "inside the home."

Half the time the problem isn't the law...its the regulation of the law, and in this case it would be impossible!

I think that the AKC, the NRA, and some smaller organizations like the Ohio or Tenessee Valley dog owners can help us ensure that this will not become a law, but I think that the we should not just sit back confident that others will not let it happen. Those who are loud and organized can make things happen even if they do not have a majority. And, people who love animals, are often drawn to and support such organizations due to their outward appearance -- helping dogs and cats.

I care if they pass laws like that, even if everyone knows they cannot enforce it. Firstly because some of us do not want to operate outside of the law. We do not license our dogs because the stupid little tags are pretty dangling from the dog's collar. We license our dogs because it is the law. Rabies tags can get your dog home faster than a license, and most of us have our dogs tatoo'd or chipped, so we are not counting on the license to get our dog back if it is lost or if we need to prove ownership. The ONLY reason to license your dog is because it is the law. And you can make a good argument for it being a bad law, so you choose to practice civil disobedience. That is difficult if you are a breeder and have paperwork, etc.

I can see ways laws that are never expected to be enforced to be used in situations and abused in situations.

[martemchik]

I guess thats a good point that many laws aren't meant to be enforced, but in this situation wouldn't it have to be? I mean I get what you're saying about the licensing thing. Its kind of a defense for if the dog gets out and then is found (if its not chipped). That way they can charge you with a fine, but they can get the dog back to its rightful owner and not have another dog in a pound. But if this particular law would only be used when your dog "gets in trouble" whats the point? Your dog gets out, it is found, oh no its not speutered!, owner gets a bigger fine and has to speuter, owner doensn't have the money to speuter, does the state/federal government pay for the speuter?

I do support where this law is trying to go. I am never one for the government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong (like this situtation in my opinion), but if more people speutered it wouldn't really hurt the current situation. Problem is, when laws are made it sometimes has the opposite effect, like a haha to the government that I'm not listening to their stupid law. Might cause people to not speuter just because they HAVE to. Take away the option, you get rebels.

[GSDkid]

Originally Posted by BR870

Hurray! Just what we need... More government telling people what to do! Huzzah for big gov!



It'll happen about the same time that PETA gets eating meat banned...

LOL!!! I love this comment.

[BR870]

The Government does not need to be deciding what animals should be speutered. Period.

If a dog is well cared for and owned and not a menace to the community at large, the .gov has absolutely no right or authority to tell you if you can breed it. It does not matter what their reason or justification is. To me this is no different than the Government calling for mandatory sterilization of people for population reasons or welfare reasons or whatever. Its grossly inappropriate use of Federal power. Tenth Amendment anyone?

It is as bad as BSL, and in fact can be used as and end run around BSL. Who needs BSL if no more "vicious breeds" are allowed to breed anymore?

Come on people!

[CelticGlory]

Selzer, you and Martemchik are so correct. I admit I don't think that certain species of domesticated animals should ever be fixed; for example, rabbits, other small furry animals, birds, and horses. Some of these animals do bad when they are put under and I see a lot of cat breeders warning about spay/neutering certain breeds like Persians. They rather they get laser surgery when it comes to them getting fixed.