German Shepherd shot by trooper

Angel55 · 09-01-2011, 12:48 AM

Never thought something this despicable could happen in my home town.

Questions linger after former trooper shoots Utica man?s dog - Utica, NY - The Observer-Dispatch, Utica, New York

I used to come to this site 5+ years ago and read about this happening elsewhere.

What are we to do?

carmspack · 09-01-2011, 12:55 AM

what are we to do? what was he supposed to do ? answer , control his dog , keep him on leash. from what I read he was in a an area marked for leashed dog (conservation-greenbelt greens) and he had been charged twice before for violations .

KZoppa · 09-01-2011, 12:55 AM

very sad

Angel55 · 09-01-2011, 01:08 AM

Man seeks justice for shooting death of his dog | NBC-WKTV News Channel 2 - Utica News, Weather, Sports - | Local News

He was PLAYING with his dog, the trooper got out of his car with his pistol drawn and shot his dog and the dog could not move. The dog was far away, trooper was in no danger. Then he shot him again and again. Did you even read the whole article?

The above reference is from TV news.

e.rigby · 09-01-2011, 02:43 AM

He may have been playing with his dog, but his dog was off leash and in both articles the dog started toward the retired officer. As to how the dog approached, who knows... but if the dog was running (and I've seen friendly dogs run up to people) then the dog could have been perceived as a threat.

I feel for the owner, and I'm sad the dog died. But seriously, if you go to a public area, you need to have your dog on a leash... at the very least, you need to have your dog on a long line. If the dog is not under the owners control to the point where the dog would break engagement with his owner to check out a new person than the dog probably shouldn't be off leash because it can become a liability.

The most interesting part of the story comes from the part (in both articles) where the owner claims there was a heated dispute the day before and a threat was made. I think if the retired officer was only at the park because of that woman, than perhaps there is some foul play involved... however, maybe the woman only told the officer that this guy often took his dog off leash and wasn't expecting the dog to get shot, but the owner ticketed? Who knows...

**Samba** · 09-01-2011, 06:12 AM

Well, dogs are off leash in public areas here all the time.
I don't enjoy them many times, but shooting never occured to me as the course of action. Our AC officers, the people charged with animal code violations and rounding up loose dogs, do not even carry weapons.

The punishment hardly seems to fit the crime.

**jocoyn** · 09-01-2011, 06:46 AM

Any time you see a news report, you have to take it with a grain of salt -- Doing SAR, I have seen so many places where the press did not get it right.

That said, I feel for the guy (actually the dog, not him), but he has already had problems with letting his dog offlead and running up to people which is terribly terribly rude. Some people don't learn.

BlackPuppy · 09-01-2011, 09:57 AM

That's scary!

Balto will run up to people to say hello.

Caledon · 09-01-2011, 10:15 AM

This story looks complex.

The ex-tropper got out of his car with a gun in his hand. If he was afraid of the dog, he should have stayed in the car till the dog/owner left. I always do this. If I don't like a situation immediately around me I will wait before when taking my dog in/out of the vehicle.

Why did the owner let the dog off leash upon returning his car.

carmspack · 09-01-2011, 11:05 AM

who knows what the full story is . The owner has had violations and fines before for "dog off lead". What if there had been complaints about a dog charging people .
It really is a mess of a story, the reaction was over the top -- . The owner is not an innocent by stander , he is responsible also .

what does ex-trooper mean? Is this someone who has come back from service and might have post traumatic stress syndrome?

Carmen

09-01-2011, 12:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
Angel55 New Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3	German Shepherd shot by trooper Never thought something this despicable could happen in my home town. Questions linger after former trooper shoots Utica man?s dog - Utica, NY - The Observer-Dispatch, Utica, New York I used to come to this site 5+ years ago and read about this happening elsewhere. What are we to do?

09-01-2011, 12:55 AM	#3 (permalink)
KZoppa Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maryland kinda missing CO Posts: 13,809	very sad __________________ The more people I meet and talk to,the more I love my dogs and their intelligence. www.krystalscollarcreations.weebly.com Riley GSD/BC 1/10/05 Zena GSD 6/1/03 Shasta GSD 5/5/10

09-01-2011, 02:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
e.rigby Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Virginia Posts: 498	He may have been playing with his dog, but his dog was off leash and in both articles the dog started toward the retired officer. As to how the dog approached, who knows... but if the dog was running (and I've seen friendly dogs run up to people) then the dog could have been perceived as a threat. I feel for the owner, and I'm sad the dog died. But seriously, if you go to a public area, you need to have your dog on a leash... at the very least, you need to have your dog on a long line. If the dog is not under the owners control to the point where the dog would break engagement with his owner to check out a new person than the dog probably shouldn't be off leash because it can become a liability. The most interesting part of the story comes from the part (in both articles) where the owner claims there was a heated dispute the day before and a threat was made. I think if the retired officer was only at the park because of that woman, than perhaps there is some foul play involved... however, maybe the woman only told the officer that this guy often took his dog off leash and wasn't expecting the dog to get shot, but the owner ticketed? Who knows... __________________ Virgil, CGC - GSD Tara, Reagan, Madison, and Jefferson - Aussies Socrates - the cat The birds: Dante - CAG / Sammie - Blue fronted Amazon / Gavin - TAG / Nero and Sunshine - Budgies

09-01-2011, 06:46 AM	#7 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,040	Any time you see a news report, you have to take it with a grain of salt -- Doing SAR, I have seen so many places where the press did not get it right. That said, I feel for the guy (actually the dog, not him), but he has already had problems with letting his dog offlead and running up to people which is terribly terribly rude. Some people don't learn. __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

09-01-2011, 09:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
BlackPuppy Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 4,420	That's scary! Balto will run up to people to say hello. Last edited by BlackPuppy; 09-01-2011 at 10:00 AM.

09-01-2011, 12:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
carmspack Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 3,324	what are we to do? what was he supposed to do ? answer , control his dog , keep him on leash. from what I read he was in a an area marked for leashed dog (conservation-greenbelt greens) and he had been charged twice before for violations .

09-01-2011, 01:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
Angel55 New Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 3	Man seeks justice for shooting death of his dog \| NBC-WKTV News Channel 2 - Utica News, Weather, Sports - \| Local News He was PLAYING with his dog, the trooper got out of his car with his pistol drawn and shot his dog and the dog could not move. The dog was far away, trooper was in no danger. Then he shot him again and again. Did you even read the whole article? The above reference is from TV news.

09-01-2011, 06:12 AM	#6 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	Well, dogs are off leash in public areas here all the time. I don't enjoy them many times, but shooting never occured to me as the course of action. Our AC officers, the people charged with animal code violations and rounding up loose dogs, do not even carry weapons. The punishment hardly seems to fit the crime.

09-01-2011, 10:15 AM	#9 (permalink)
Caledon Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Ontario Posts: 1,786	This story looks complex. The ex-tropper got out of his car with a gun in his hand. If he was afraid of the dog, he should have stayed in the car till the dog/owner left. I always do this. If I don't like a situation immediately around me I will wait before when taking my dog in/out of the vehicle. Why did the owner let the dog off leash upon returning his car.

09-01-2011, 11:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
carmspack Knighted Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario - Posts: 3,324	who knows what the full story is . The owner has had violations and fines before for "dog off lead". What if there had been complaints about a dog charging people . It really is a mess of a story, the reaction was over the top -- . The owner is not an innocent by stander , he is responsible also . what does ex-trooper mean? Is this someone who has come back from service and might have post traumatic stress syndrome? Carmen

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