German Police ditching GSDs for Malies...

dazedtrucker · 08-25-2011, 03:43 PM

Police ditching the German Shepherd for Belgian breed - The Local

PaddyD · 08-25-2011, 04:06 PM

They seem to have done their homework. I didn't realize that Malinois are sturdier than GSDs... or were better sniffers. Interesting if true.

kr16 · 08-25-2011, 04:11 PM

So are a lot of forces in the USA. My friends a trainer and he said he would never have a GSD again. I wonder if they are healthier also.

crackem · 08-25-2011, 04:11 PM

I have never seen a Mali do something i haven't seen a GSD do, or vice versa. I wonder why people are having such a hard time finding GSD's that work, because everyone i've ever trained with, that was beyond their first dog, has had nice working GSD's. I've met lots of nice Mali's too, but jeez, if people can't find a GSD that works nicely, try looking.

selzer · 08-25-2011, 04:20 PM

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**Chris Wild** · 08-25-2011, 04:25 PM

Not hard to find GSDs who can work. But it is hard to find them in quantities needed to meet the demand or the quantities of Mals who can work. A higher percentage of the Mal population has working ability than does the percentage of the GSD population. So one has to sort through a lot more GSDs to find the worker than one does Mals.

Mals are also as a whole less prone to health problems and injuries, giving them longer working lives.

And the most bottom line of all, Mals are a lot cheaper than GSDs.

**Chris Wild** · 08-25-2011, 04:43 PM

Now this:
"Belgian Shepherds can also be used as sniffer dogs, unlike German Shepherds"
is a load of

CassandGunnar · 08-25-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Wild

And the most bottom line of all, Mals are a lot cheaper than GSDs.

For now. I've already heard that the price is starting to creep up a bit, but I haven't actually seen that. The agency that I'm retired from is going to be getting 2 Mali's in the spring for K9 use. I'm sure price had some part in it, but it was mostly because they were more available.

hunterisgreat · 08-25-2011, 05:24 PM

Less of a gamble and cheaper

**DFrost** · 08-25-2011, 05:25 PM

It is a matter of supply and demand. The majority of dogs used by the military and LE today are imported. I'm speaking of dogs that are used for dual purpose, patrol/detector of some sort. The fact is, the venerable GSD is not available in the numbers needed. Yes, there are some good GSD's but you have to look hard to find them. Whether we want to believe it or not, the GSD of today is not the GSD of years ago. They've been bred to be calmer, less drivey, with a completely different look than just a generation ago. They've been inbred, poor bred to maintain numbers, sacrificing quality, healthy dogs. It's not that the Mal can do things the GSD couldn't. It's the fact they are available in the numbers required. So far, we don't see the incidence of spondylosis and dysplasia that are so prominent in the GSD breed. They (the mal) also seem to have a slightly longer working life. Candidates for dual purpose training are ranging from 6 to 8 k. When you are paying that kind of money you really want to make sure you are getting the most for your money. Bottom line, Mals and Dutchies are available in the numbers needed. The GSD is not.

DFrost

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Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Not hard to find GSDs who can work. But it is hard to find them in quantities needed to meet the demand or the quantities of Mals who can work. A higher percentage of the Mal population has working ability than does the percentage of the GSD population. So one has to sort through a lot more GSDs to find the worker than one does Mals. Mals are also as a whole less prone to health problems and injuries, giving them longer working lives. And the most bottom line of all, Mals are a lot cheaper than GSDs. __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

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Chris Wild Administrator & Alpha Bitch of the Wild Bunch Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 12,604	Now this: "Belgian Shepherds can also be used as sniffer dogs, unlike German Shepherds" is a load of __________________ *Wildhaus Kennels* Kaiser ~ SchH3 CGC TDI (HOT) Raven ~ SchH3 AWD2 PD1 P1 PA T1 UCD URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Della ~ SchHA TR1 PD1 P1 PA T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Wulf ~ SchH1 PD1 P1 T1 URO2 CGC TT (B/HOT) Heidi ~ BH CD UCD RN URO1 (B/HOT) Jazz ~ Superpup In Training

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08-25-2011, 04:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
PaddyD Banned Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: MassaCHEWsetts Posts: 5,222	They seem to have done their homework. I didn't realize that Malinois are sturdier than GSDs... or were better sniffers. Interesting if true.

08-25-2011, 04:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
kr16 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Boca Raton, Florida Posts: 394	So are a lot of forces in the USA. My friends a trainer and he said he would never have a GSD again. I wonder if they are healthier also.

08-25-2011, 04:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
crackem Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,195	I have never seen a Mali do something i haven't seen a GSD do, or vice versa. I wonder why people are having such a hard time finding GSD's that work, because everyone i've ever trained with, that was beyond their first dog, has had nice working GSD's. I've met lots of nice Mali's too, but jeez, if people can't find a GSD that works nicely, try looking.

08-25-2011, 05:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
DFrost Moderator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Tn Posts: 777	It is a matter of supply and demand. The majority of dogs used by the military and LE today are imported. I'm speaking of dogs that are used for dual purpose, patrol/detector of some sort. The fact is, the venerable GSD is not available in the numbers needed. Yes, there are some good GSD's but you have to look hard to find them. Whether we want to believe it or not, the GSD of today is not the GSD of years ago. They've been bred to be calmer, less drivey, with a completely different look than just a generation ago. They've been inbred, poor bred to maintain numbers, sacrificing quality, healthy dogs. It's not that the Mal can do things the GSD couldn't. It's the fact they are available in the numbers required. So far, we don't see the incidence of spondylosis and dysplasia that are so prominent in the GSD breed. They (the mal) also seem to have a slightly longer working life. Candidates for dual purpose training are ranging from 6 to 8 k. When you are paying that kind of money you really want to make sure you are getting the most for your money. Bottom line, Mals and Dutchies are available in the numbers needed. The GSD is not. DFrost __________________ Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again. DFrost

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