Facts/History/Questions

[just another truck]

This coming Tuesday there is going to be a City Council Meeting in regards to PitBulls. This is based on two major attacks local, and 65% of all police and animal control calls are Pit Bull related.

So, here is what I think is going on, and believe somewhere there has to be proof of it.

I believe that The "guard dog" of such a such time is always been the dog to watch out for.

When the Doberman was the dog, that was the dog of most bites,
When the Rotweiler was the dog
then the GSD, but I am trying to locate something to support this.

I also believe that the a majority of people who have the dogs with incident would have had the same incident regardless of the breed, but I have not found the right way to search for this, geographic, or demographics.

ANd on a side note wholly cow.. Did you know the GSD has a bite of 238-750#s as compared to a pitbull that was shown to be 350# of force.. This blew my theroy of the dog not knowing its own strength.. and I still have homework to do..due Tuesday night as well.

[DFrost]

Originally Posted by just another truck

I believe that The "guard dog" of such a such time is always been the dog to watch out for.



ANd on a side note wholly cow.. Did you know the GSD has a bite of 238-750#s as compared to a pitbull that was shown to be 350# of force.. .

Generally, a comparison of my dog bites harder than yours is nothing more than the grade school argument of "my dad can beat your dad". I say that having considerable experience with dogs that "bite" for a living. If there is enough pressure to break skin and sink the teeth to the gumline, and remain attached, how much pressure is needed. The low number you posted is more than enough for that feat. My point; if you are going to defend a certain breed, you need to compare apples to apples. You can't compare the bite of a toy poodle to the bite of a Doberman. Look for the severity of the bite, by breed. It will tell the story. The reason pits are in the news is not some covert conspirecy to outlaw pits. It's because of the noteriety they have recieved. Generally because if a pit is involved the bite is considerably more serious than with other breeds. I'm opposed to BSL of any type. I'm certainly in favor of holding the person responsible, not the breed. I also understand, something needs to be done. There is a reason drug dealers and your common thug gravitate towards the pit.

ETA the following link: you might find this link useful. It may not agree with your argument, but it is information you are looking for.

Fatal dog attacks in the United States

DFrost

[smyke]

I think it also has a lot to do with the popularity of the breed a the time.
every where you turn now someone is walking around with some sort of a bully dog. and people breed them to just make a quick buck. so the population is growing rapidly. more dogs = more bites.
at times when dobies or rotties were "cool" to own statistics might have been different.

[just another truck]

Dfrost, Perhaps you missed th point I was making with the bite, I wondered if it was a dog that did not know its own strength, I was not attempting to do the "My dog thing, but I certainly see how it would have came that way".

Thank you for the link, I was reading this artical Pit bull terriers by animal behavior dog bite expert for attorneys when you replied, seems to be a decent amount of info here. But still have not found the right reference for what I am hoping to get.

As far as a paticular breed, my concern is what happens next, or what will the next breed be. In the site you found, it states, a Dog is 85% less likely to bite if it has a basic obediance class. If we want to mandate something, it should be responsible ownership..

By the way, Thank you for what you do!!

[GSD Fan]

Originally Posted by smyke

I think it also has a lot to do with the popularity of the breed a the time.
every where you turn now someone is walking around with some sort of a bully dog. and people breed them to just make a quick buck. so the population is growing rapidly. more dogs = more bites.
at times when dobies or rotties were "cool" to own statistics might have been different.

I agree. I once read an article on GSD bites and it did defend them by stating the reason why bites have went up is the popularity of the breed has went up. More popularity = more GSDs and more less quality GSDs bred by BYBs and puppy mills to make money.

[just another truck]

Originally Posted by GSD Fan

I agree. I once read an article on GSD bites and it did defend them by stating the reason why bites have went up is the popularity of the breed has went up. More popularity = more GSDs and more less quality GSDs bred by BYBs and puppy mills to make money.

I am back and forth on this as well, if I am mix breeding, am I not breeding out the very behavior everyone is afraid of..

The site listed above states the GSD and the Chow are more likely to bite then a PitBull..A Pitbull is more likely to have a fatality or injury. I HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING ANYTHING that supports Pitbull ownership, other then the people I have know who have had them. But, what will be targetted next, or, what if they sum it up with "No Large Breed" or " no dog that might one day be aggresive because we banned everything else we could ban"?

[APBTLove]

The only real 'pit bull' is the APBT, their bite is no stronger than a normal dog, they are not overly powerful animals.. that is media hype. Before you try to defend them, you need to get EDUCATED. I have time and a real passion for the breed, PM me with any questions you have.

Many people mislabel other breeds as 'pit bulls', so much so that 'pit bull' is now being used for any dog that even looks bully... 'pit bull' itself is NOT a breed, but the shortened name of the APBT..

Watch these to get started on the very basics..

You Tube

You Tube

(I realize that I call the dogs in this video "pit bulls", even though most are mutts and mix bull breeds, but the general public doesn't know any better so I just tried to educate them a little at a time)

You Tube

You Tube

[just another truck]

Originally Posted by APBTLove

The only real 'pit bull' is the APBT, their bite is no stronger than a normal dog, they are not overly powerful animals.. that is media hype. Before you try to defend them, you need to get EDUCATED. I have time and a real passion for the breed, PM me with any questions you have.

Many people mislabel other breeds as 'pit bulls', so much so that 'pit bull' is now being used for any dog that even looks bully... 'pit bull' itself is NOT a breed, but the shortened name of the APBT..

Watch these to get started on the very basics..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKTDS9psIcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsTix...eature=channel

APBTlove,

When I get home I will watch these, but I ( with out looking at the video's ) am more worried now then before.. If they dont have the Pitbull name to go after, then they might as well sum it up as any large breed..

[APBTLove]

Originally Posted by just another truck

APBTlove,

When I get home I will watch these, but I ( with out looking at the video's ) am more worried now then before.. If they dont have the Pitbull name to go after, then they might as well sum it up as any large breed..

They will. I have heard stories of pure bred labs being taken because they looked pit bull enough... They will go for any dog they don't understand or have heard bad things about.

And I meant it, PM me a huge list of questions and I will go through and answer every one of them as best I can.

When they ban "pit bulls" they usually add a list of breeds under 'pit bull', like AMerican Staff, APBT, SBT, American Bulldog ect.

[APBTLove]

Also, bite force varies with the dog.. And generally the size of the dog.

Yeah, the guys in this video are ignorant...

You Tube

You Tube

Here is an APBT (mix?) of a friend's, she's probably -40 pounds at the most and is the general size of an APBT, I can pick her up under one arm...




And my average GSD... at about 85 pounds.



And pit bull dogs were never, ever breed for guard work. It's a rare APBT who will actually guard it's home... Most will bark, then go into a fit of wiggling and happiness at a stranger coming in and then help them carry your things out! lol