Should we ban some breeds?

[cagirl]

Originally Posted by APBTLove

Bingo... There should be stricter leash laws, and fines for allowing a dog to be loose or not properly contained and tried one dog at a time, how is it effective to kill or restrict dogs who've never hurt a soul and probably never will?

ANY time I've had a problem with a loose dog, it's an easily fixable problem at home... A loose screw in the gate, fence is too short, dogs dig under, dogs bolt out the door, weak tie out - you name it! All easy fixes.

Yup and I think that there needs to be tougher laws, I mean I remember everyone going off about some legislation in Ca where they would spay and neuter your dog the 2nd time loose, is that really a bad thing? People need to be held responsible not the poor animals and the responsible owners should not be punished.

[codmaster]

Originally Posted by APBTLove

No, that is the thinking of a LOT of responsible bulldog owners. It is not true to the breed to be human aggressive in any way... Thus those dogs are culled because for an APBT to be human-aggressive mean there is generally something wrong mentally with the dog.

Can't they be TRAINED to be human aggressive - that would not be anything wrong with them mentally.

[aubie]

What I hate are most of the dogs that are labeled "Pits" and involved in some sort of attack are either:

1. Abused and neglected like mad
2. Not true pits, they have been bred with all sorts of things to make them bigger, meaner and nastier thus messing up all kinds of genetics.

I can't believe cocker spaniels aren't on that list...due to horrible breeding there is actually a thing called cocker rage. My parents cocker (baaaadly bred dog, had all kinds of issues) actually bit my dad's nose which required an ER trip and stitches.

I am intriuged that pugs and frenchies are on that list...although I do have to say the gas they pass alone may be enough to put them on there!

[LaRen616]

Originally Posted by aubie

What I hate are most of the dogs that are labeled "Pits" and involved in some sort of attack are either:

1. Abused and neglected like mad
2. Not true pits, they have been bred with all sorts of things to make them bigger, meaner and nastier thus messing up all kinds of genetics.

I can't believe cocker spaniels aren't on that list...due to horrible breeding there is actually a thing called cocker rage. My parents cocker (baaaadly bred dog, had all kinds of issues) actually bit my dad's nose which required an ER trip and stitches.

I am intriuged that pugs and frenchies are on that list...although I do have to say the gas they pass alone may be enough to put them on there!

My Aunt adopted a Cocker Spaniel and out of nowhere it jumped up and mauled my cousins face. Completely unprovoked

I hate that they are trying to ban any breed. Any dog can be vicious. Any dog can bite wether they are big or small, purebred or mixed, black or white. Little dogs bite more than big dogs, but their bites are less severe and they are almost never reported. It's crap. I got bit by a Springer Spaniel, it was unprovoked, did we report it, no, I did not want that dog put down. Does that mean that Springer Spaniels should be on BSL lists? No.

If this crap continues we will only be allowed piece of yappy, annoying little dogs that are useless.

I thought this was a free country? Why cant I have whatever dog I want?

Not only that but another thing that really upsets me is Home Owners Insurance not covering you if you have a dog that they do not permit. I have American Family Insurance and I cannot own a Pitbull, Rottweiler, Akita, Chow, Presa Canerio or a Wolf Hybrid or anything mixed with them. Ridiculous

[Stogey]

No ... but some pet owners should be banned from ever owning another !

[APBTLove]

Originally Posted by codmaster

Can't they be TRAINED to be human aggressive - that would not be anything wrong with them mentally.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard people who are disappointed in their 'pit bull' because they can't make it mean to people no matter how they 'train' it to be. I have seen some excel in SchH, or PP (rarely), but it's not the norm and those sports don't equal HA... Human aggression is the unprovoked bite/attack on a person, or a bad reaction to strangers, a reaction of aggression that is.

A well-bred APBT would be extremely hard to make HA... I mean, you'd have to make sure every experience it had with a stranger was bad pretty much, and bring it to the point of fight or flight every time a person comes near. And even then, if you make it fear people enough to react in a bad way, it would likely choose flight before a bite.

I have seen people do the cruelest things to these dogs, and the dogs don't even fight back. everything from burning them to hanging and beating with golf clubs and the dogs just take it.

I rescued an American Staff boy who spent ten years on a chain, and was beaten by his owner when he got drunk or mad, and was constantly teased by neighborhood kids who thought he was mean, so they'd sneak up to his chainspot and when he came toward them they'd run screaming, or they'd hit him with things, throw rocks at him.. Yet nearing a decade of abuse and torment didn't ruin him, he didn't show any aggression to humans ever. He flinched like crazy when you went to pet him, even peed on himself if you raised your voice, but he was always friendly. He lived his last two years with a family and never showed a hint of instability.. These dogs are hard to really mess up.


I suppose you could compare a HA pit bull dog to a German Shepherd with weak nerves to the point of extreme fear when anything new comes in the picture. It is just something very off with the dog, you can't train a GSD to have weak nerves, it's something wrong with some dogs... You can't train an APBT to be truly HA.

[kiya]

No, its the people not the dog.
BSL is dangerous, and it will spread from town to town. They just tried to do a Pitbull ban in a town in Nassau county, I think it was Rocville Center, NY, fortunately it was turned down.
I firmly believe people should be held 100% responsible for thier dogs. And breeders should be held responsible for selling puppies to people who should not have dogs. My friends son, at age 14 came home with a pitbull puppy from a byb about 3 or 4 years ago. I kept telling her to make him take it back, I got a phone call from her last week. He can't keep the dog anymore and she can't find a home for him, of course there was no training and the dog is hard to handle. Terrible situation.

[APBTLove]

Originally Posted by LaRen616

My Aunt adopted a Cocker Spaniel and out of nowhere it jumped up and mauled my cousins face. Completely unprovoked

I hate that they are trying to ban any breed. Any dog can be vicious. Any dog can bite wether they are big or small, purebred or mixed, black or white. Little dogs bite more than big dogs, but their bites are less severe and they are almost never reported. It's crap. I got bit by a Springer Spaniel, it was unprovoked, did we report it, no, I did not want that dog put down. Does that mean that Springer Spaniels should be on BSL lists? No.

If this crap continues we will only be allowed piece of yappy, annoying little dogs that are useless.

I thought this was a free country? Why cant I have whatever dog I want?

Not only that but another thing that really upsets me is Home Owners Insurance not covering you if you have a dog that they do not permit. I have American Family Insurance and I cannot own a Pitbull, Rottweiler, Akita, Chow, Presa Canerio or a Wolf Hybrid or anything mixed with them. Ridiculous

It is ridiculous and it makes no logical sense to ban one breed... Do you really think the bad owners of the breed, the ones who don't care if their dog bites a person or gets loose, will care if their dog is eventually confiscated and killed? No, they'll move on to another dog. Cane Corso's are going up in popularity, I have seen four in recent months in my neighborhood alone. What happens when CCs start popping up more and more? They will be next...

Come now, small dogs are not useless, their owners who treat them like babies and make them nervous wrecks are. My tiny girl is just great, she was raised like the GSDs and trained the same, and treated like a dog... Best little ratter I've had

[APBTLove]

Originally Posted by kiya

No, its the people not the dog.
BSL is dangerous, and it will spread from town to town. They just tried to do a Pitbull ban in a town in Nassau county, I think it was Rocville Center, NY, fortunately it was turned down.
I firmly believe people should be held 100% responsible for thier dogs. And breeders should be held responsible for selling puppies to people who should not have dogs. My friends son, at age 14 came home with a pitbull puppy from a byb about 3 or 4 years ago. I kept telling her to make him take it back, I got a phone call from her last week. He can't keep the dog anymore and she can't find a home for him, of course there was no training and the dog is hard to handle. Terrible situation.

Exactly.

I'm thankful that, at the moment, Virginia has laws prohibiting BSL. They do it dog by dog, not breed by breed.

That's really sad... If you she has him, tell her to get in touch with PBRC. They helped me place an elderly, animal-reactive, non-trained bulldog into a great home.

[Hunther's Dad]

I have an idea...let's ban busybodies who do nothing more than figure out what they're going to try to get banned today.

In the 1970's I rode dirt bikes in the desert. Banned - too destructive to the fragile ecosystem, don't you know.

In the 1980's and 1990's I got interested in competition shooting. AAAAHHH! MY G-d he's got GUNS! No further explanation needed.

And now, in the new millennium, "they" want to ban my bleepin' DOG.

Somebody needs to tell these people that the world doesn't want to be saved...the world wants to be left alone. Now.