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I think the shock collar is misused by most people, but I'm totally against banning them as I think most people misuse all training collars too. This is a tool that has it's place for some dogs in some situations by some people. Education is what's needed and not a ban.
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I seriously doubt that you know "most" people that use shock collars. It's people making statements such as above that fuels moronic groups like the OP is supporting.
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You do realize that using a shock collar is the most humanly thing you can do, IF you use it properly and the right way?
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"I seriously doubt that you know "most" people that use shock collars. It's people making statements such as above that fuels moronic groups like the OP is supporting."
Oh, baloney! There are so few people that actually know how to use these things correctly out there compared to how many people are using them and these require a lot of education and training to use which the vast majority of people do not have. Good grief, the general public still can't figure out how to use a regular training collar, much less a shock collar. DFrost, maybe you didn't catch the part where I said I'm against banning them?!
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Exactly!! like stopping ILLEGAL DOG FIGHTING! |
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Use the search function, and search for electric collars-IMO more often than not, when folks use the term "shock" collar, it is with negative opinions and conclusions toward it's use so you are more likely to heard the negative rather than the positive or neutral opinions that come out. Just be careful as this is a volatile topic-make sure those who are giving opinions or positions against the use of an electric collar (like the OP here) have actually used or seen them used properly. You can also check Lou Castle's website for tons of information on the use of electric collars. He's a member here as well and pipes in quite frequently when this topic comes up. |
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[quote=Elaine;1780403DFrost, maybe you didn't catch the part where I said I'm against banning them?![/quote]
I did catch that, didn't say anything about you supporting the ban. My comment was about the folks that use it. I know many that use it, and use it properly and to great benefit. While I don't doubt there is the occasional moron who has absolutely no idea about the proper use of the collar, I sincerely doubt, in relative terms, they outnumber those that use it properly. DFrost
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Why do so many of you folks think that an Ecollar must "inflict pain" to work? As a couple of posts in this thread say, "education is the key." Perhaps if members of this "coalition" learned something about the tool? Of all the tools used in dog training an Ecollar is probably among the least abused! If nothing else, it's about the number of them in use, relative to other tools out there. |
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One of the most common reasons that people turn to an Ecollar is that they discover that their use of other methods has not given satisfactory results in the face of distractions, particularly for the recall command. And so, they go looking for something to help. Many of them find the Ecollar. It's a great tool to use to teach the recall. HERE'S how I suggest it be done. It happens at the level that the dog first perceives it. No one who has felt the level where they first perceive it, would call that "pain." The problem is that FEW members of this "coalition" have ANY experience with the tool. MOST of them are working off the myths, the misconceptions and outright lies that are told about it. And they're doing nothing to learn. They prefer to perpetuate the misinformation. Think about this, your dog is not obeying your command to recall and he's running towards a busy street. What do you do? |
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