Shock collar!!!! Some of u might be interestd

[smerry]

Originally Posted by Liesje

I've seen more damage inflicted by people leaving flat nylon collars on their dogs. Where's the coalition banning nylon collars?....

Originally Posted by arycrest

I've never used a shock collar, never plan on using one. BUT IMHO there is a place for them when used correctly and there's no way I would support such a movement.

There are too many busy bodies sticking their noses into everyone's business these days resulting in breed bans, mandatory spay neuter, groups wanting to eradicate animal ownership, etc. We don't need another "do good" movement to fight.

[codmaster]

They can be a very effective training tool when used properly. I am also against any outright ban on them.

[lhczth]

Unfortunately this site will be viewed and supported by naive non dog people who believe the anti's propaganda. "Shock" collar sounds so cruel and inhumane. "Why would people want to fry their dogs?" or "the collars are cruel because they burn the dogs", etc.

[JOSHUA SAMPSON]

I have been hit with a taser for training purposes, I have also been accidentally hit wth a shock collar. i can tell you from personal experience it is not what I would call "pain". you can most definately feel it and it is not plesant but also not painfull and it does no physical harm and it's not torture unless you abuse it. besides most e-collars have a beep before shock and beep only button. Taser has done encyclopedias worth of research on the taser use and it is the same concept with a shock collar. It is a very effective tool to keep a working k9 in check while working off leash. I personally think i want to start a facebook group called the Shock Collars Save Dogs Lives Coalition SCSDLC (couldnt come up with a good group name acronym) but i have to wait until i get off work. when i do i will post it here. It's ridiculous to think that such a valuable tool would be banned because some non dog hippies think it's cruel. Just like any tool it can be used in a cruel way. Just like the guy who bashed his dog in the head with a sledgehammer (post from yesterday) but we dont see any no sledge hammer coalitions do we? it is the person who is to blame not the tool. just like guns. If you ban guns people will use arrows and spears. ban them and people will use rocks, ban rocks and people will use fists, then you have to ban people. just my $0.02

[Raziel]

I dont think I would want the collar BANNED.
I dont use one for my own reasons, but then you would also have to ban pinch collars,choke collars etc

[selzer]

I do not use shock collars or prong collars, but I do not think that we should waste tax payer monies to ban them and enforce a ban on them.

I think education IS the key. The pros and the cons can educate people and people can make up their own minds about how they want to proceed and with what tools.

If we want to get on a ban band wagon, there are probably people out there who have tried to ban or that would ban one or more of the following:

Prong collars
crates
kennels
chains
collars
halti/head collars
harnesses
weight pulling
agility equipment
dog shows/trials
dog racing
ear cropping
tail docking
reproductive organs
dog clothing
choke chains
dog jewelry
hunting with dogs

and a bazillion other things I am not thinking of right now.

[milkmoney11]

Originally Posted by SamP

It's a personal thing, but i would prefer to bring in a trainer rather than inflict pain. I raise my dogs with my family & i certainy wouldnt put a collar on one of my kids for misbehaving!!!! Each to their own.

You use a regular collar on your dogs though right? Would you put one of these on your kids?

Naa...just messing with ya. But I am one who uses one responsibly so I don't support either.

There is far worse damage being done to dogs out there outside of training collars that this energy should be put towards stopping instead.

[JOSHUA SAMPSON]

I think the only member on this thread that supprts banning them is the OP

[DFrost]

What a ridiculous concept. The problem is, it's easy for the uninformed to jump on anyones band wagon. Groups such as that represented by the OP play very loosely with the truth. They would prefer to live in a world with their eyes closed rather than know that truth.

DFrost

[Lin]

Originally Posted by JOSHUA SAMPSON

I have been hit with a taser for training purposes, I have also been accidentally hit wth a shock collar. i can tell you from personal experience it is not what I would call "pain". you can most definately feel it and it is not plesant but also not painfull and it does no physical harm and it's not torture unless you abuse it. besides most e-collars have a beep before shock and beep only button. Taser has done encyclopedias worth of research on the taser use and it is the same concept with a shock collar. It is a very effective tool to keep a working k9 in check while working off leash. I personally think i want to start a facebook group called the Shock Collars Save Dogs Lives Coalition SCSDLC (couldnt come up with a good group name acronym) but i have to wait until i get off work. when i do i will post it here. It's ridiculous to think that such a valuable tool would be banned because some non dog hippies think it's cruel. Just like any tool it can be used in a cruel way. Just like the guy who bashed his dog in the head with a sledgehammer (post from yesterday) but we dont see any no sledge hammer coalitions do we? it is the person who is to blame not the tool. just like guns. If you ban guns people will use arrows and spears. ban them and people will use rocks, ban rocks and people will use fists, then you have to ban people. just my $0.02

Excellent post. Bolded to reflect the part that I think is most important