Six Month Old Male

Noodles · 07-21-2011, 11:31 PM

Waiting for my Long line show set to come in the mail until then the four foot shorty had to do lol.

Xeph · 07-22-2011, 01:44 AM

Nice high wither, good lay back of shoulder, upper arm should be longer. Good proportions. A bit overdone in the rear (I'd like to see his foot on the ground, as opposed to the whole hock).

Strong topline leading into a short, very steep croup. Would like to see more bone and overall substance, and a more masculine head.

Excellent color, pasterns could be firmer, feet are ok, but a bit flat. Would like a tighter foot overall and more bone. Excellent underline.

What's his breeding?

Noodles · 07-22-2011, 08:47 AM

Thank you for your detailed and honest reply. I am not sure why his feet look so flat they aren't, could something I am doing during the stack cause them to look this way? I can post some close up pictures if you would like later today so you could get a better look and advise me from there if you would like. I will make a mental note not to over stack in the rear. As far as overall substance it is a fight to get this dog to gain weight. I definitely agree he needs more to him lol maybe it's his age? Again thank you.
He is by Champion Kenlyn's Aries V Hicliff ROM and is out of Lindenhills Voodoo Charm.

Xeph · 07-22-2011, 11:04 AM

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As far as overall substance it is a fight to get this dog to gain weight.

It's partially age, but substance is more than just weight

It's breadth of ribcage, amount of bone, amount of chest, etc etc. Bailey has decent substance, but Charm, IMO, I would like to see "more" of and right now your puppy looks to be taking after his dam side.

An example of a bitch with beautiful substance:

A dog with beautiful substance:
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If you scroll down, you can see how evident it was even as a young age

Xeph · 07-22-2011, 11:18 AM

BTW, is this your first show puppy, or?

I don't want to make it sound like you've got an awful puppy (you don't), just trying to explain things clearly

Noodles · 07-22-2011, 02:06 PM

It is my first show shepherd I have been showing for nine years but other breeds. I settled on shepherds as my breed of choice this year. My mentor picked him for me... Should I rethink this pick?

Noodles · 07-22-2011, 03:11 PM

I understand what you are saying I am not taking it hard but I am a facts and logic type of person, that is why I ask if he is a good investment not for sentiment reason. I do thank you for your honesty it is much appreciated especially from someone without attachment to the specific dog. Plus I am still learning the standard.

Xeph · 07-22-2011, 03:23 PM

I think he'll do just fine for himself

May not be the next GV, but I think you'll have fun with him ^_^

Noodles · 07-22-2011, 03:49 PM

Think he can finish? All breed or specialty?

Xeph · 07-22-2011, 04:09 PM

IMO, a good dog should be able to win in both rings. My personal feeling is he'll probably do better in an all breed ring, but I am only one person, so take my opinion, and those of others, use what you can, and disregard what you can't (only for the time being....some things can be useful later).

Can he finish? Too young to say, really. He's going to change a ton over the next 18 months....and then even more over the next 12.

If your mentor knows GSD judges, I'd have her help you look for judges that may like his style

07-21-2011, 11:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
Noodles Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 138	Six Month Old Male Waiting for my Long line show set to come in the mail until then the four foot shorty had to do lol.

07-22-2011, 01:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	Nice high wither, good lay back of shoulder, upper arm should be longer. Good proportions. A bit overdone in the rear (I'd like to see his foot on the ground, as opposed to the whole hock). Strong topline leading into a short, very steep croup. Would like to see more bone and overall substance, and a more masculine head. Excellent color, pasterns could be firmer, feet are ok, but a bit flat. Would like a tighter foot overall and more bone. Excellent underline. What's his breeding? __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

07-22-2011, 11:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	BTW, is this your first show puppy, or? I don't want to make it sound like you've got an awful puppy (you don't), just trying to explain things clearly __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

07-22-2011, 03:23 PM	#8 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	I think he'll do just fine for himself May not be the next GV, but I think you'll have fun with him ^_^ __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

07-22-2011, 04:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	IMO, a good dog should be able to win in both rings. My personal feeling is he'll probably do better in an all breed ring, but I am only one person, so take my opinion, and those of others, use what you can, and disregard what you can't (only for the time being....some things can be useful later). Can he finish? Too young to say, really. He's going to change a ton over the next 18 months....and then even more over the next 12. If your mentor knows GSD judges, I'd have her help you look for judges that may like his style __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

07-22-2011, 08:47 AM	#3 (permalink)
Noodles Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 138	Thank you for your detailed and honest reply. I am not sure why his feet look so flat they aren't, could something I am doing during the stack cause them to look this way? I can post some close up pictures if you would like later today so you could get a better look and advise me from there if you would like. I will make a mental note not to over stack in the rear. As far as overall substance it is a fight to get this dog to gain weight. I definitely agree he needs more to him lol maybe it's his age? Again thank you. He is by Champion Kenlyn's Aries V Hicliff ROM and is out of Lindenhills Voodoo Charm.

07-22-2011, 02:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Noodles Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 138	It is my first show shepherd I have been showing for nine years but other breeds. I settled on shepherds as my breed of choice this year. My mentor picked him for me... Should I rethink this pick?

07-22-2011, 03:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
Noodles Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 138	I understand what you are saying I am not taking it hard but I am a facts and logic type of person, that is why I ask if he is a good investment not for sentiment reason. I do thank you for your honesty it is much appreciated especially from someone without attachment to the specific dog. Plus I am still learning the standard.

07-22-2011, 03:49 PM	#9 (permalink)
Noodles Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ohio Posts: 138	Think he can finish? All breed or specialty?

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