Critique my critique

GSD Fan · 04-23-2011, 08:18 PM

I have been reading and watching a lot of books and videos about dog standards and conformation. I would like to see how much I've improved, so, I would like for someone to post a pic of a stacked GSD and let me critique him or her. Then I would appreciate it if someone came along and told me the high points and low points of my critique.

If no one replies, I'll just do it with my mentors. Thank you for your time in advance.

Xeph · 04-23-2011, 08:24 PM

*shrugs* I'll play.

GSD Fan · 04-23-2011, 08:44 PM

Okay, here goes nothing!

This is according to AKC standards.

Nice musculine head, decent eyes, the neck is long but could use a bit more muscle. Looks like there's a kinda roach in the back? The stomach . . . there's something odd about it, can't put it into words. The loin is too short. Tail seems correct. Shoulder blades are decent. Overal muscle is good.

That critique was horrible.

4TheDawgies · 04-23-2011, 09:12 PM

Alright ill give it a go with my three

9 months

Xeph · 04-23-2011, 09:13 PM

Well, firstly I can promise her head isn't masculine ;-) In my opinion, she has a weak head (that's right, I can admit that her head ain't great). The problem isn't so much her skull (which would be easier to see in person). Her muzzle is weak. Too narrow and needs more underjaw.

Her neck is relatively long, it is well muscled, but I could certainly see how it may not give that impression.

Definitely no roach in her back

A roach indicates an upward curvature of the spine, which Mirada doesn't have. Can't help you on the stomach (I'm assuming you mean her underline). And her loin isn't too short. The opposite actually. She's too long.
With her stomach, what you may be looking at is the pattern of her coat, rather than the actual structure of the dog. You need to learn to look PAST patterns (which can be hard).

To help you more:
decent eyes <--What does this mean? Do you mean size, shape, depth of color?
Tail seems correct <--The set or the length?

Shoulder blades are decent <--How so? Do they look correctly angulated to you?

How is her upper arm? Too long? Too short? Steep/too upright? (for the record, fronts are VERY hard to learn for the majority of people, and you'll usually learn to "see" a front in motion before you see it on a standing dog)

Overal muscle is good. <--Thanks

We work har on conditioning.

That critique was horrible<--Maybe not the best critique, but the point is you're trying to learn. You're not going to get it all on your first shot. It takes a lot of time to learn how to see structure, and how to apply your knowledge of it.

elisabeth_00117 · 04-23-2011, 09:17 PM

What the heck, Stark says, "critique away":

*Not the best stacks, I know.

GSDElsa · 04-23-2011, 09:19 PM

I commend you for giving this a try! Only way to really learn!

selzer · 04-23-2011, 09:20 PM

Here is Odessa:

GSD Fan · 04-23-2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeph

Well, firstly I can promise her head isn't masculine ;-) In my opinion, she has a weak head (that's right, I can admit that her head ain't great). The problem isn't so much her skull (which would be easier to see in person). Her muzzle is weak. Too narrow and needs more underjaw.

Her neck is relatively long, it is well muscled, but I could certainly see how it may not give that impression.

Definitely no roach in her back

A roach indicates an upward curvature of the spine, which Mirada doesn't have. Can't help you on the stomach (I'm assuming you mean her underline). And her loin isn't too short. The opposite actually. She's too long.
With her stomach, what you may be looking at is the pattern of her coat, rather than the actual structure of the dog. You need to learn to look PAST patterns (which can be hard).

To help you more:
decent eyes <--What does this mean? Do you mean size, shape, depth of color?
Tail seems correct <--The set or the length?

Shoulder blades are decent <--How so? Do they look correctly angulated to you?

How is her upper arm? Too long? Too short? Steep/too upright? (for the record, fronts are VERY hard to learn for the majority of people, and you'll usually learn to "see" a front in motion before you see it on a standing dog)

Overal muscle is good. <--Thanks

We work har on conditioning.

That critique was horrible<--Maybe not the best critique, but the point is you're trying to learn. You're not going to get it all on your first shot. It takes a lot of time to learn how to see structure, and how to apply your knowledge of it.

Wait a minute, I thought a roach is when the spinal bones change direction a certain way?

On eyes, yes, I think all is correct.

On the tail, I meant the set. Length seems okay too.

Yes, shoulder blades look correct.

I think her upper arm is too long.

GSDElsa · 04-23-2011, 09:30 PM

Here is a roached back:
Google Image Result for http://www.whynotwebs.com/images/SuperAngleGermanShepherd.JPG

04-23-2011, 08:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
GSD Fan Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: MS Posts: 1,128	Critique my critique I have been reading and watching a lot of books and videos about dog standards and conformation. I would like to see how much I've improved, so, I would like for someone to post a pic of a stacked GSD and let me critique him or her. Then I would appreciate it if someone came along and told me the high points and low points of my critique. If no one replies, I'll just do it with my mentors. Thank you for your time in advance.

04-23-2011, 08:24 PM	#2 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	shrugs I'll play. __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

04-23-2011, 09:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
4TheDawgies Master Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: KS Posts: 746	Alright ill give it a go with my three 9 months __________________ "For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours they move finished and complete, gifted with extensions of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear."

04-23-2011, 09:13 PM	#5 (permalink)
Xeph Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Castle, PA Posts: 4,764	Well, firstly I can promise her head isn't masculine ;-) In my opinion, she has a weak head (that's right, I can admit that her head ain't great). The problem isn't so much her skull (which would be easier to see in person). Her muzzle is weak. Too narrow and needs more underjaw. Her neck is relatively long, it is well muscled, but I could certainly see how it may not give that impression. Definitely no roach in her back A roach indicates an upward curvature of the spine, which Mirada doesn't have. Can't help you on the stomach (I'm assuming you mean her underline). And her loin isn't too short. The opposite actually. She's too long. With her stomach, what you may be looking at is the pattern of her coat, rather than the actual structure of the dog. You need to learn to look PAST patterns (which can be hard). To help you more: decent eyes <--What does this mean? Do you mean size, shape, depth of color? Tail seems correct <--The set or the length? Shoulder blades are decent <--How so? Do they look correctly angulated to you? How is her upper arm? Too long? Too short? Steep/too upright? (for the record, fronts are VERY hard to learn for the majority of people, and you'll usually learn to "see" a front in motion before you see it on a standing dog) Overal muscle is good. <--Thanks We work har on conditioning. That critique was horrible<--Maybe not the best critique, but the point is you're trying to learn. You're not going to get it all on your first shot. It takes a lot of time to learn how to see structure, and how to apply your knowledge of it. __________________ Jackie S Konzert vom Drachenberg CD, RN, CGC, Service Dog "Strauss" Joplin von Eichenluft SDIT "Mahler" Mana's 5 Cents for Advice Marcato "Wesson" Devine's Gunpowder N Lead RN "Mirada" Barrett, the Woodford rescue kitty

04-23-2011, 09:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
elisabeth_00117 Crowned Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Waterloo, Ontario Posts: 7,251	What the heck, Stark says, "critique away": Not the best stacks, I know. __________________ Battleborn Hundesport Wild Winds Archangel Raphael "Stark", HIC (2009-04-10) Wild Winds Zephyr "Zefra"* (2011-04-15) *Beau* 03/08/97 to 06/07/10

04-23-2011, 08:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
GSD Fan Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: MS Posts: 1,128	Okay, here goes nothing! This is according to AKC standards. Nice musculine head, decent eyes, the neck is long but could use a bit more muscle. Looks like there's a kinda roach in the back? The stomach . . . there's something odd about it, can't put it into words. The loin is too short. Tail seems correct. Shoulder blades are decent. Overal muscle is good. That critique was horrible.

04-23-2011, 09:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 3,706	I commend you for giving this a try! Only way to really learn! __________________ Justine, mom to: - Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins" - Medo Aritar Bastet - "The Beast From The East"

04-23-2011, 09:20 PM	#8 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	Here is Odessa: __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

04-23-2011, 09:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 3,706	Here is a roached back: Google Image Result for http://www.whynotwebs.com/images/SuperAngleGermanShepherd.JPG __________________ Justine, mom to: - Elsa - BrightStar Rescue - "Da Pookins" - Medo Aritar Bastet - "The Beast From The East"

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