Breeder BS, and the papers too??

[Anthony8858]

Just curious.....

The breeder that sold us our pup, told us, showed us our pup's dam and sire.

The sire claims to be the "world champion" Remo from Germany.
The papers indicate such as the case, and the breeder explain the whole "import / breeding" process.

I was wondering if there's a chance that "A" pup's papers could be fraudulent?

I feel that any breeder can claim to have a champion pup, show papers to support the claim, and sell you anything they want.

THIS dog, is supposedly our pup's sire:

Remo vom Fichtenschlag

[JakodaCD OA]

your right any breeder can falsify papers, I couldn't say at all this is true in this case.

It looks like Remo is owned by Gunbil Kennels in Colorado? atleast thats what I get from the website..I think he's very handsome but don't know any more about him, have heard the name before,

Im sure some with much more showline info will help with your question

[Anthony8858]

Remo supposedly lives in Germany. The Dam is owned by the kennel owner(s).

From what I gather, these kennel owners pay a premium to mate their dogs with these "champion SL" dogs.

I did meet the dam, and I did see a trail of paperwork leading to Remo ..in Germany.

I hate to be skeptical, but it just seems too easy to tell a prospective puppy owner anything they want.

Regardless.... we chose our pup for our own reasons, and that's all that matters

[carmspack]

is it not the case that Remo's DNA is taken and on file.
you could always contact the owners of this Remo and verify a stud service to the dam of your litter

Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

[JakodaCD OA]

I tend to like Carmen's idea,,you could email Gunbil (the site he is on and said to be owned by), and ask if he was 'bred' to so and so (name of your puppies dam)..

also would ask, you said he showed you the sire and dam,, as IN person or in pics?? IF it was 'in person' I'd ask if he is 'at' that particular kennel,

[jocoyn]

Do you have some sort of reason to believe your puppy is from a fraudulant breeding?

[Anthony8858]

Originally Posted by carmspack

is it not the case that Remo's DNA is taken and on file.
you could always contact the owners of this Remo and verify a stud service to the dam of your litter

Carmen
Carmspack Working German Shepherd Dogs

That sounds like a good starting point.
How would someone go about doing this?

The link above is NOT where Remo lives. Remo is a German SL, Seiger word champion, and is in Germany.
Apparently, quite a few websites are showing Remo as their sire to their pups.

[Anthony8858]

Originally Posted by jocoyn

Do you have some sort of reason to believe your puppy is from a fraudulant breeding?

ABSOLUTELY 100% NO!

After meeting with and interviewing my breeder, I feel comfortable enough to believe him. Making false claims like that, could land someone in loads of trouble. I feel he don't have to make such claims to sell his pups. He had some beautiful dogs. If that's what people want, that's what they'll get. I don't think he has to claim any pup is a "select" pup to sell it.
People generally by what they like.

I'm just curious about some of the claims and marketing tactics used by some breeders.

This is an innocent topic, and I'm not making any accusations to anyone.

[Anthony8858]

Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

I tend to like Carmen's idea,,you could email Gunbil (the site he is on and said to be owned by), and ask if he was 'bred' to so and so (name of your puppies dam)..

also would ask, you said he showed you the sire and dam,, as IN person or in pics?? IF it was 'in person' I'd ask if he is 'at' that particular kennel,

Sorry, there was a typo. I met the Dam, not the Sire. The Sire is supposedly in Germany.

I become skeptical, when I see OTHER websites claiming to have Remo living in Colorado.

[JakodaCD OA]

ahhh ok...and it's certainly NOT unusual that you wouldn't see the sire of a litter.

I'm not sure the website 'claimed' he lived in colorado, tho I didn't look at it close enough,,I was getting the impression they "owned" him..but again that could be way off since I honestly don't know WHO owns him)

I do think it could be rather easy for any breeder to say this puppy came from,,,but a big breeder would be really stupid to try to pull something like that in my opinion..

OK I wanna see pics of the little girlie !!!!)