Would you say this is a BYB or reputable?

x0emiroxy0x · 06-15-2011, 07:11 PM

I have been browsing different breeders sites, and I found one that said they had 3 upcoming litters: May 4, May 11, June 3.

How can one couple take care of three litters at once? Considering they keep the puppies till 8 weeks, in June they could possibly have 24 puppies if every mom has 8.

I'm trying to gather the most knowledge I can about breeders because I am looking to get my next puppy within the next 2-3 years.

BGSD · 06-15-2011, 07:23 PM

Couldn't you just post the website of the breeder? I guess people on the forum would know.

**JakodaCD OA** · 06-15-2011, 07:30 PM

Because a person has three litters due within a couple months doesn't necessarily make them a bad breeder.

Alot of times one girl comes into heat, and throws the rest of them in heat, maybe this 'person', isn't having any more litters for say a year? That type of thing doesn't throw up a red flag for me until I have the whole picture..

And please don't post their website, we don't want a bash fest

neiltus · 06-15-2011, 07:33 PM

That alone does not indicate anything on the breeders part. My breeder has about 30 dogs, is very well respected locally and places dogs worldwide. She has had 4 GSD litters (26 pups), has a half dozen adults for sell, and one Schipperkes litter. There is also a cat litter. All but 1 GSD pup is placed, all schipperkes and cats are placed.

But, without knowing some other things, they could be a less than desirable breeder...this is what I look for?

1) How long breeding GSD?
2) Have you ever titled a dog? How many times? If you give me a specific number that is not good.
3) What are mom's and dad's hips and elbows like?
4) Do you register your dogs? Limited? I generally prefer breeders who place limited dogs only unless they are titled.
5) Temper test? Interview?
6) What is your full-time job?

selzer · 06-15-2011, 07:33 PM

better not, that would be breeder bashing.

Why do we have to label everyone a BYB?

Is everything so black and white?

I know a breeder who has a bitch that gives her 1 puppy every time she breeds her. And another that gives her 3 or 4. Would it be that hard to take care of 1 litter of 1, 1 litter of 3, and 1 litter of six puppies? I really enjoyed my litter of 10 -- it was not much harder than my litter of 7.

Also, sometimes you breed three and get one litter.

I just bred two and got none. Well Heidi has until Saturday, but I have no hope at all at this point. I would be happy as a pig in poopie if she presented me with a litter. Even if Babsy had a litter last week. And I would manage both just fine. But Heidi was an AI and she has never had a litter. Babsy was bred to a dog that has never produced, so I was unsure of either producing a litter.

Different people have different capacities and can manage different levels of work and stress.

Freestep · 06-15-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by x0emiroxy0x

How can one couple take care of three litters at once?

If the couple works from home, or at least one of them does, and they're totally dedicated to their dogs, it can be done and it doesn't necessarily mean it's a puppy mill operation. We'd really need more information to be able to judge that. Are the dogs OFA'd? Do they have any titles?

Whiteshepherds · 06-15-2011, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neiltus

1) How long breeding GSD?
2) Have you ever titled a dog? How many times? If you give me a specific number that is not good.
3) What are mom's and dad's hips and elbows like?
4) Do you register your dogs? Limited? I generally prefer breeders who place limited dogs only unless they are titled.
5) Temper test? Interview?
6) What is your full-time job?

Why isn't it good if they can tell you how many dogs they've titled???

**lhczth** · 06-16-2011, 10:45 AM

Agree with Whiteshepherds. I can tell you how many dogs I have titled over 27 years and what each dog received, and I remember most of the scores. Now if I could just remember what I did 10 minutes ago......

Mrs.K · 06-16-2011, 11:09 AM

Agreed, my parents remember each litter, every dog they've titled and can tell you all the names from 30 years ago just as much as the recent ones.

We also operated from home, back then and sometimes had three or four litters down and our family was completely dedicated to the dogs. Except for a couple of horses there wasn't anything else they did besides that. Dogs were their life. It was my fathers life.

robinhuerta · 06-16-2011, 09:08 PM

There is nothing wrong with having 3 litters close together....shoot, I just did the same...and YES...it was a HUGE amount of work and it still is....
We kept puppies from all 3 litters...so the work continues.

06-15-2011, 07:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
x0emiroxy0x Master Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 918	Would you say this is a BYB or reputable? I have been browsing different breeders sites, and I found one that said they had 3 upcoming litters: May 4, May 11, June 3. How can one couple take care of three litters at once? Considering they keep the puppies till 8 weeks, in June they could possibly have 24 puppies if every mom has 8. I'm trying to gather the most knowledge I can about breeders because I am looking to get my next puppy within the next 2-3 years.

06-15-2011, 07:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	Because a person has three litters due within a couple months doesn't necessarily make them a bad breeder. Alot of times one girl comes into heat, and throws the rest of them in heat, maybe this 'person', isn't having any more litters for say a year? That type of thing doesn't throw up a red flag for me until I have the whole picture.. And please don't post their website, we don't want a bash fest __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

06-15-2011, 07:33 PM	#4 (permalink)
neiltus Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 233	That alone does not indicate anything on the breeders part. My breeder has about 30 dogs, is very well respected locally and places dogs worldwide. She has had 4 GSD litters (26 pups), has a half dozen adults for sell, and one Schipperkes litter. There is also a cat litter. All but 1 GSD pup is placed, all schipperkes and cats are placed. But, without knowing some other things, they could be a less than desirable breeder...this is what I look for? 1) How long breeding GSD? 2) Have you ever titled a dog? How many times? If you give me a specific number that is not good. 3) What are mom's and dad's hips and elbows like? 4) Do you register your dogs? Limited? I generally prefer breeders who place limited dogs only unless they are titled. 5) Temper test? Interview? 6) What is your full-time job? Last edited by neiltus; 06-15-2011 at 07:36 PM.

06-15-2011, 07:33 PM	#5 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 17,499	better not, that would be breeder bashing. Why do we have to label everyone a BYB? Is everything so black and white? I know a breeder who has a bitch that gives her 1 puppy every time she breeds her. And another that gives her 3 or 4. Would it be that hard to take care of 1 litter of 1, 1 litter of 3, and 1 litter of six puppies? I really enjoyed my litter of 10 -- it was not much harder than my litter of 7. Also, sometimes you breed three and get one litter. I just bred two and got none. Well Heidi has until Saturday, but I have no hope at all at this point. I would be happy as a pig in poopie if she presented me with a litter. Even if Babsy had a litter last week. And I would manage both just fine. But Heidi was an AI and she has never had a litter. Babsy was bred to a dog that has never produced, so I was unsure of either producing a litter. Different people have different capacities and can manage different levels of work and stress. __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC Babs, CD RA CGC Herding Instinct Certificate Heidi, RA CGC Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly & Bear

06-16-2011, 10:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 11,695	Agree with Whiteshepherds. I can tell you how many dogs I have titled over 27 years and what each dog received, and I remember most of the scores. Now if I could just remember what I did 10 minutes ago...... __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

06-15-2011, 07:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
BGSD Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 450	Couldn't you just post the website of the breeder? I guess people on the forum would know.

06-16-2011, 11:09 AM	#9 (permalink)
Mrs.K Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 6,381	Agreed, my parents remember each litter, every dog they've titled and can tell you all the names from 30 years ago just as much as the recent ones. We also operated from home, back then and sometimes had three or four litters down and our family was completely dedicated to the dogs. Except for a couple of horses there wasn't anything else they did besides that. Dogs were their life. It was my fathers life.

06-16-2011, 09:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
robinhuerta Knighted Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,224	There is nothing wrong with having 3 litters close together....shoot, I just did the same...and YES...it was a HUGE amount of work and it still is.... We kept puppies from all 3 litters...so the work continues. __________________ Huerta Hof German Shepherds www.teamhuertahof.com ....where breeding is still considered an art....

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