Can someone with experience look please?

tuffloud1 · 06-13-2011, 12:23 AM

I'm currently interested in this GSD puppy.

The mom doesn't have papers, the dad does. Both parents are owned by the breeder. Both parents are extremely friendly and unintrusive.

Can someone with experience take a look at the parents and the puppy and let me know of any issues that stand out? Thanks for any help!

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Lucy Dog · 06-13-2011, 12:26 AM

Have both parents had their hips and elbows x-rayed?

Without that, I'd say no and that's before even getting into anything else.

sagelfn · 06-13-2011, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffloud1

I'm currently interested in this GSD puppy.

The mom doesn't have papers, the dad does. Both parents are owned by the breeder. Both parents are extremely friendly and unintrusive.

Can someone with experience take a look at the parents and the puppy and let me know of any issues that stand out? Thanks for any help!

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Sorry, I can't tell you anything from that picture. It looks like a GSD.

Issue right now is the mom doesn't have papers. Do either dogs have health certifications? At least OFA or Penn hip?

Here is a great thread Things to look for in a 'Responsible' Breeder

tuffloud1 · 06-13-2011, 12:35 AM

I meant to post pictures directly on the page, not the link.

Here they are -

Catu · 06-13-2011, 12:42 AM

With this breed, I wouldn't even glance at a pup without parents cleared for hips. I am not that brave.

If you are going to buy from a breeder that has dogs with no papers, you loose all the benefits of buying from a breeder and the knowledge that comes with the study of the pedigrees. In that case, if I were you, I'd adopt and save my money for a better cause.

sagelfn · 06-13-2011, 12:43 AM

Do you want a cute puppy or a healthy stable dog?

2 great articles..
Getting a Dog, part IV Dogs for Defense K-9

(German Shepherd Breeders, by Wildhaus Kennels)

and this link again

Things to look for in a 'Responsible' Breeder

I'm not a breeder but can someone tell me if it is healthy or normal for a mom nursing dogs to have ribs showing? I've always seen moms kept a little plump at this time

tuffloud1 · 06-13-2011, 12:53 AM

Well, all puppies are cute. I want the puppy to turn out health and sound as an adult. Both parents seem healthy. I don't have 1000 dollars to spend on a dog. These people are asking 500.

I didn't ask if they have had the parents hips x-rayed. I will but I'm guessing they haven't. This is the first time they've bread the dogs and I don't think it is something they will be doing a lot of in the future.

What are the odds of a gsd developing hip problems?

robinhuerta · 06-13-2011, 12:57 AM

Brandi...it is normal....especially as the puppies start to get older and take more from their mother in nutrition.
I have females that look "plumper" in the beginning of nursing.....and "thinner" as the puppies grow and require more.
Close to the time of weaning.....moms are thinner...they quickly gain back their normal weight & tone....once pups are weaned.
The dogs in these pictures look normal & well kept.

Lin · 06-13-2011, 12:57 AM

If you don't have $1000, walk away from these breeders. The purchase price is typically the cheapest part. A hip replacement surgery can cost you 10K.

Very, very, VERY high odds if the parents haven't been screened by OFA or PennHip.

sagelfn · 06-13-2011, 12:59 AM

Thanks for the info Robin

06-13-2011, 12:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
tuffloud1 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 150	Can someone with experience look please? I'm currently interested in this GSD puppy. The mom doesn't have papers, the dad does. Both parents are owned by the breeder. Both parents are extremely friendly and unintrusive. Can someone with experience take a look at the parents and the puppy and let me know of any issues that stand out? Thanks for any help! http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...uppies022.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...uppies032.jpg/ http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...uppies046.jpg/ Last edited by tuffloud1; 06-13-2011 at 12:31 AM.

06-13-2011, 12:26 AM	#2 (permalink)
Lucy Dog Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,180	Have both parents had their hips and elbows x-rayed? Without that, I'd say no and that's before even getting into anything else. __________________ Paul

06-13-2011, 12:35 AM	#4 (permalink)
tuffloud1 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 150	I meant to post pictures directly on the page, not the link. Here they are - Last edited by tuffloud1; 06-13-2011 at 12:37 AM.

06-13-2011, 12:42 AM	#5 (permalink)
Catu Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Valdivia, Chile Posts: 4,269	With this breed, I wouldn't even glance at a pup without parents cleared for hips. I am not that brave. If you are going to buy from a breeder that has dogs with no papers, you loose all the benefits of buying from a breeder and the knowledge that comes with the study of the pedigrees. In that case, if I were you, I'd adopt and save my money for a better cause. __________________ "The dog does not need to be deranked so much as the people need to learn to act like people worth listening to" Suzanne Clothier. Diabla, my Daemon; SchH A, RH-T A Akela, my Direwolf; Work in Progress Bagheera, Long term puppy host

06-13-2011, 12:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
sagelfn Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,748	Do you want a cute puppy or a healthy stable dog? 2 great articles.. Getting a Dog, part IV Dogs for Defense K-9 (German Shepherd Breeders, by Wildhaus Kennels) and this link again Things to look for in a 'Responsible' Breeder I'm not a breeder but can someone tell me if it is healthy or normal for a mom nursing dogs to have ribs showing? I've always seen moms kept a little plump at this time __________________ -Brandi Sage 6-5-09 Facebook Last edited by sagelfn; 06-13-2011 at 12:52 AM.

06-13-2011, 12:53 AM	#7 (permalink)
tuffloud1 Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 150	Well, all puppies are cute. I want the puppy to turn out health and sound as an adult. Both parents seem healthy. I don't have 1000 dollars to spend on a dog. These people are asking 500. I didn't ask if they have had the parents hips x-rayed. I will but I'm guessing they haven't. This is the first time they've bread the dogs and I don't think it is something they will be doing a lot of in the future. What are the odds of a gsd developing hip problems?

06-13-2011, 12:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
robinhuerta Knighted Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,224	Brandi...it is normal....especially as the puppies start to get older and take more from their mother in nutrition. I have females that look "plumper" in the beginning of nursing.....and "thinner" as the puppies grow and require more. Close to the time of weaning.....moms are thinner...they quickly gain back their normal weight & tone....once pups are weaned. The dogs in these pictures look normal & well kept. __________________ Huerta Hof German Shepherds www.teamhuertahof.com ....where breeding is still considered an art....

06-13-2011, 12:57 AM	#9 (permalink)
Lin Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 3,243	If you don't have $1000, walk away from these breeders. The purchase price is typically the cheapest part. A hip replacement surgery can cost you 10K. Very, very, VERY high odds if the parents haven't been screened by OFA or PennHip. __________________ Sorry dude. I can't live up to your expectations all of the time. Sometimes I'm going drink six miniature bottles of rum and then draw horses. That's just the way the world works. - Allie Brosh

06-13-2011, 12:59 AM	#10 (permalink)
sagelfn Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Illinois Posts: 3,748	Thanks for the info Robin __________________ -Brandi Sage 6-5-09 Facebook

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