Puppy coming home Friday and I have a akc question

LoveMyDogs · 03-09-2011, 11:33 AM

We are having a new GSD flying in on Friday. We already have a Female Elsa we bought her from Vom Haus Miller in Spring Green Wisconsin. We just now ready to start working her. She will be getting her hips checked next week and she is 2.5 yrs old.

We are buying a Male puppy that is a showline Dog Elsa is a Workline dog. I hope I am saying this right we are still learning.

Here is what I know abour the puppy,

His mother is the daughter of the World Class Seiger Roger Arminius
line, her
mother is SG Babs von ArminiusWest German Showline, his father is
West German
Showline with some East German and Czech. There is no American
lines in these
puppies at all. The mother has the tattoo in her ear, but not the
father. Any
form of training or showing would be excellent as long as the shows don't
require AKC registration. The father is the grandson of Mick vom
Wolf Cimmerian
that breeds only for Homeland Security, prior to that, the Cimmerian
line came
from the Michigan State troopers and has East German and Czech lines
which were
imported. The father comes from several world champion police
dogs....all of
them can be seen if you click on his pedigree link.

I was told the puppy can not be registered with AKC because her mom was a rescued GSD. Does this mean I am out of being able to do anything with our new little boy?

Here is a picture of our new little boy

http://http://shannonsshepherds.blog...ven-weeks.html

Our puppy is the second from the bottom. What do you think? We think he is a keeper for sure.

Thanks everyone,
Pamela

GSDBESTK9 · 03-09-2011, 11:41 AM

If they don't have AKC papers for the mother, then no, the puppies cannot be registered. You can still do Schutzhund with the dog, he will just be listed as a mix. And you can get an ILP number with AKC and compete at AKC trials (obedience, agility, etc.) but not show him.

**Samba** · 03-09-2011, 11:41 AM

I did not follow all of that very well.

If the dam is not registerable with the AKC, then the puppies would not be either.

You can get companion event titles on your dog if you neuter him and get a PAL number from the AKC. My current AKC obedience dog is a rescue. She is spayed and registered as a PAL dog with AKC. We are working on obed, tracking and agility. If you desire to do those things, then it is possible. Conformation showing would not be an option.

**jocoyn** · 03-09-2011, 11:42 AM

I think the link doesnt work

LoveMyDogs · 03-09-2011, 11:48 AM

It's sad because the Mother was registered but the owner never gave the Rescue any info. They tried to get all the info from the akc but could not.

LoveMyDogs · 03-09-2011, 12:09 PM

Both of the parents are registered with AKC but the mother was never registered to the new owners, The new owners must have been a little rough because Brandi our puppies mother was rescued by our puppies family . The original breeder contacted AKC in attempts to
change the registration over to the family we are buying the puppy from, but AKC stated that their policy would not
allow it even though Brandi had been in a rescue situation and her breeder was
requesting it. I wish I could help out the Breeder of our new puppy and some how get the AKC to except our puppy and her Mother.

If anyone can help with this I would love to know what to do.

**jocoyn** · 03-09-2011, 12:51 PM

Not sure why they bred an unregistered dog on the first place but what difference does it make if you can get an ILP?

LoveMyDogs · 03-09-2011, 01:01 PM

It just happend she said, They have been great to work with, I am so happy to work with them. She has 5 GSD and they love GSD so I am happy we found them. I will have to look into the ILP.

LoveMyDogs · 03-09-2011, 01:17 PM

I think we have to neuter him for sure. We are afraid for Elsa she is a work line dog and he is a show line. How do we keep them away for now until we decide what to do?

valreegrl · 03-09-2011, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoveMyDogs

I think we have to neuter him for sure. We are afraid for Elsa she is a work line dog and he is a show line. How do we keep them away for now until we decide what to do?

Elsa is not spayed I am assuming, so it's purely management. Crate and rotate during her heat cycle.

As for registration, nothing you can do. PAL is the best best, as stated by a couple others.

03-09-2011, 11:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
LoveMyDogs Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 67	Puppy coming home Friday and I have a akc question We are having a new GSD flying in on Friday. We already have a Female Elsa we bought her from Vom Haus Miller in Spring Green Wisconsin. We just now ready to start working her. She will be getting her hips checked next week and she is 2.5 yrs old. We are buying a Male puppy that is a showline Dog Elsa is a Workline dog. I hope I am saying this right we are still learning. Here is what I know abour the puppy, His mother is the daughter of the World Class Seiger Roger Arminius line, her mother is SG Babs von ArminiusWest German Showline, his father is West German Showline with some East German and Czech. There is no American lines in these puppies at all. The mother has the tattoo in her ear, but not the father. Any form of training or showing would be excellent as long as the shows don't require AKC registration. The father is the grandson of Mick vom Wolf Cimmerian that breeds only for Homeland Security, prior to that, the Cimmerian line came from the Michigan State troopers and has East German and Czech lines which were imported. The father comes from several world champion police dogs....all of them can be seen if you click on his pedigree link. I was told the puppy can not be registered with AKC because her mom was a rescued GSD. Does this mean I am out of being able to do anything with our new little boy? Here is a picture of our new little boy http://http://shannonsshepherds.blog...ven-weeks.html Our puppy is the second from the bottom. What do you think? We think he is a keeper for sure. Thanks everyone, Pamela Last edited by LoveMyDogs; 03-09-2011 at 11:37 AM.

03-09-2011, 11:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
GSDBESTK9 Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Maryland Posts: 28,438	If they don't have AKC papers for the mother, then no, the puppies cannot be registered. You can still do Schutzhund with the dog, he will just be listed as a mix. And you can get an ILP number with AKC and compete at AKC trials (obedience, agility, etc.) but not show him. __________________ Carolina Johnson http://www.johnsonhaus.com http://www.carolinak9photography.com

03-09-2011, 11:42 AM	#4 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,037	I think the link doesnt work __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

03-09-2011, 12:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
jocoyn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,037	Not sure why they bred an unregistered dog on the first place but what difference does it make if you can get an ILP? __________________ Nancy www.scsarda.org Grim (Grimmy Bear) & Beau (Bo-dee man) Waiting at the Bridge: Cyra, Toby, Rainbow, Linus, Oscar, Arlo & Waggles

03-09-2011, 11:41 AM	#3 (permalink)
Samba Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,447	I did not follow all of that very well. If the dam is not registerable with the AKC, then the puppies would not be either. You can get companion event titles on your dog if you neuter him and get a PAL number from the AKC. My current AKC obedience dog is a rescue. She is spayed and registered as a PAL dog with AKC. We are working on obed, tracking and agility. If you desire to do those things, then it is possible. Conformation showing would not be an option.

03-09-2011, 11:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
LoveMyDogs Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 67	It's sad because the Mother was registered but the owner never gave the Rescue any info. They tried to get all the info from the akc but could not.

03-09-2011, 12:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
LoveMyDogs Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 67	Both of the parents are registered with AKC but the mother was never registered to the new owners, The new owners must have been a little rough because Brandi our puppies mother was rescued by our puppies family . The original breeder contacted AKC in attempts to change the registration over to the family we are buying the puppy from, but AKC stated that their policy would not allow it even though Brandi had been in a rescue situation and her breeder was requesting it. I wish I could help out the Breeder of our new puppy and some how get the AKC to except our puppy and her Mother. If anyone can help with this I would love to know what to do.

03-09-2011, 01:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
LoveMyDogs Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 67	It just happend she said, They have been great to work with, I am so happy to work with them. She has 5 GSD and they love GSD so I am happy we found them. I will have to look into the ILP.

03-09-2011, 01:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
LoveMyDogs Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 67	I think we have to neuter him for sure. We are afraid for Elsa she is a work line dog and he is a show line. How do we keep them away for now until we decide what to do?

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