To Those of You That Want A Cheap Puppy

[LaRen616]

Cheap puppy = BYB (usually)

If you want a cheap BYB dog, go to the shelter and save one.

Buying a puppy from a BYB will cause them to produce more puppies. If they are not making money, then they will not produce more dogs.

You're not saving a puppy by getting it from a BYB, you're giving the BYB more reason to keep producing puppies.

You have a better chance getting a healthier puppy if you go with a Reputable Breeder than getting one from a BYB. However, there is still a chance that you can get an unhealthy puppy from a Reputable Breeder, but the chance is smaller.

Do not support BYB's, please get your puppy from a Reputable Breeder!

[LaRen616]

I would like to add that I got my GSD from a BYB, I didn't know any better. He's a great dog and everything that I wanted but he isn't even 2 years old yet so who knows what health problems might come up in the future.

I will never support a BYB again.

[Emoore]

Many people don't think a $350 puppy is "cheap".

[LaRen616]

I would think it is cheap, rescues usually adopt dogs out for $200-$250.

$350 sounds pretty cheap to me for a PB puppy.

[JustMeLeslie]

I am not trying to steal your thread or anything, but I was wondering if there is a thread helping people identify a BYB. I mean some of the BYB's have pretty fancy websites and really put on a good show for people. Is it just the cheap price that helps you recognize that they are BYB breeders? If they are cheap then they are a BYB breeder? I am just wondering like I said because I would say 98% of all the classifieds I see then would be a BYB? I am not arguing that they aren't because they are, but are there other ways to help people to tell the difference between reputable and BYB?

[Emoore]

Did you see this thread?
Things to look for in a 'Responsible' Breeder

This chart is pretty good too:
http://www.jlhweb.net/Boxermap/reputablebreeder.html

To me, the quickest way to separate the two has been to ask, "Why did you breed these two dogs?" A Byb will say something like, "Well, she's really gorgeous and my brother had this good-looking male and they both have really nice temperaments."

A responsible breeder will talk for ever about the parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents, using phrases like "I brought Sven in to balance out the structure," or "I used an Arko son to improve hips" or "Quanda always brings strong pigment and a healthy prey drive," or "Kimi puppies tend to have an off-switch."

[LaRen616]

Originally Posted by JustMeLeslie

I am not trying to steal your thread or anything, but I was wondering if there is a thread helping people identify a BYB. I mean some of the BYB's have pretty fancy websites and really put on a good show for people. Is it just the cheap price that helps you recognize that they are BYB breeders? If they are cheap then they are a BYB breeder? I am just wondering like I said because I would say 98% of all the classifieds I see then would be a BYB? I am not arguing that they aren't because they are, but are there other ways to help people to tell the difference between reputable and BYB?

You can ask whatever questions you like.

I would say

1) Price

2) Are the dogs OFA'd?

3) Do they do any titling or showing or working with their dogs?

4) How many litters do they produce a year?

5) Do they let you choose whatever puppy you like?

6) Do they let you take home 2 or 3 puppies?

7) Do they ask you any questions or are they just interested in selling you a puppy?

8) Are they breeding dogs that are under 2 years old?

9) How many times do they breed one female a year?

10) Are they breeding females passed the age of 7?

Those all say BYB to me.


That's all I can think of right now, sorry.

[JustMeLeslie]

Thank you both. I am not looking for another GSD. I can't handle another one right now. I was just wondering how to choose a reputable breeder in the future for a small breed dog(min pin). I know I will want another one in the future and was trying to do research, but I was quite confused about how to properly identify a BYB. That chart is very helpful-Thanks Emoore.
Thank you LaRen.

[Emoore]

Just noticed that the chart has a couple of things that apply specifically to Boxers, as it's from a Boxer organization. But 99% of the chart is applicable to all breeds. Some of the health tests that they mention apply to health issues that are prevalent in Boxers. You would want to ask your breeder for health tests that apply to GSDs, mostly hip/elbow x-rays.

[Myamom]

and the breeder will have a contract with you...that if ever you can't keep the dog...for the life of the dog...the dog is returned to the breeder....because they care...and never want to see their dogs passed around or end up in shelters.