Ugh. Pups an CL

[adamdude04]

Been on the lookout for a female German shep pup. As close to 8-16 weeks as we could get.

Been looking for awhile with no luck. I don't care about AKC. To me, they just part of the family. Hence why breeders no good to me. I can't see spending more than a couple hundred for a pet. If a job dog, yes. But someone to slobber all over me. Be by my side through good an bad. An always there to talk to.

Also because we have cats, and they don't take well to big animals. A pup their size, an they can get used to the new addition as they grow.

And I prefer to adopt from someone who had an accident litter, or anything other than a backyard breeder. Though I would still get from a byb because I know I am in a position to take on responsibility such as a dog. Dunno if next person if I pass up, is In the same position..

But for $500 for a pup out of 7???? That's all profit.

Oh well.

[KZoppa]

oh yeah that is definitely profit. I paid $150 for Shasta. She was an accidental litter result. plus the cost of gas to get there to pick her up so total $190. If i'm spending more than $200 on a pup, i'm going to a breeder who's done health testing and such on the parents and has proof of it.

[adamdude04]

Yeah Arlo was an accident litter too. $200 for him plus $15 in gas.

His parents were on site, so I got to see his future look which helped a lot. An today he is a great looking dog. Everywhere we go, compliments, even from other gsd owners. Had a few ask me if I was going to breed him lol I'll pass on that..

[KZoppa]

Originally Posted by adamdude04

Yeah Arlo was an accident litter too. $200 for him plus $15 in gas.

His parents were on site, so I got to see his future look which helped a lot. An today he is a great looking dog. Everywhere we go, compliments, even from other gsd owners. Had a few ask me if I was going to breed him lol I'll pass on that..

yeah i got to meet Shasta's parents. Her mom was kind of a washed out sable and her dad was a monster GSD from germany. He had gorgeous black and red pigment and he was just massive! I havent seen a shepherd his size in a very long time. He was just HUGE. i couldnt believe it when we pulled up how big he was. Size of a small horse.

[adamdude04]

Originally Posted by KZoppa

yeah i got to meet Shasta's parents. Her mom was kind of a washed out sable and her dad was a monster GSD from germany. He had gorgeous black and red pigment and he was just massive! I havent seen a shepherd his size in a very long time. He was just HUGE. i couldnt believe it when we pulled up how big he was. Size of a small horse.

Nice! I heard the term "king shepherds"? Apparently 90-150 lbs range. Mine is 90 at 9 months now.

Glad you got to see Shastas parents too. Really puts you at ease to see the blood of the family. Puppys are cute when young but they change like humans lol.

Was this in co?

[KZoppa]

Originally Posted by adamdude04

Nice! I heard the term "king shepherds"? Apparently 90-150 lbs range. Mine is 90 at 9 months now.

Glad you got to see Shastas parents too. Really puts you at ease to see the blood of the family. Puppys are cute when young but they change like humans lol.

Was this in co?

Yeah Shasta's dad was 100lbs after being put on a diet. Any smaller than that he would have been underweight. And i agree its nice to be able to see the parents. Nope, not in CO. This was here in NC. I wish it had been in CO but i dont see too many litters in CO that arent from breeder. Had a neighbor in CO for a couple years who had a king shepherd. That dog was monsterous! He was a 170lbs and he was in good body condition. He was so sweet but seriously not a dog people approached willingly unless they already knew him!

[BowWowMeow]

What's the difference between an accidental litter and a BYB? And I've seen some oops litters where the parents were siblings...definitely want to see the pedigree if that's the case.

Why not adopt a puppy from a rescue or a shelter?

[DJEtzel]

I definitely would never pay for a byb accidental litter. Taking one for free is acceptable, but buying one is just encouraging them.

[KZoppa]

Originally Posted by BowWowMeow

What's the difference between an accidental litter and a BYB? And I've seen some oops litters where the parents were siblings...definitely want to see the pedigree if that's the case.

Why not adopt a puppy from a rescue or a shelter?

lol i would consider an accidental litter as one where the dogs were kept seperate and somehow, they managed to be romeo and juliet. In Shasta's case, her parents were kept seperate. Owners had to go out of town for a family emergency pretty quickly and asked friends to take care of the dogs, continuing to keep them seperate. Shasta's dad chewed through a wall and a couch to get to her mom while between house/petsitter visits. And considering the size of Shasta's dad, i dont think much would have stopped a very determined male of his size. a BYB is someone i would consider who refuses to alter their dogs and has litter after litter (like the people down the street from me and their beagles) and doesnt do any health testing, and just keeps letting the dogs go for every heat cycle for the money they can get from the litter. But everyone has a different definition. The $150 i paid for Shasta covered the costs for puppy shots and mom's vet care and checkups while she was pregnant and food cost for caring for mom's increased food needs and the puppies. Beyond that they may have made about $20-$40 to keep.

[Lucy Dog]

People like you are the reason BYB's exist. People like you who don't care about AKC, health testing, guarantees, breeder support, and all that other good stuff you most likely will never get from a BYB are the reason they exist and continue to breed.

If you don't want to spend the money from a responsible breeder, which is completely understandable, why not just go through a rescue or shelter? There are new dogs posted everyday in the urgent and non urgent section, but you're still looking for that bargain pup from someone selling their litter off CL? Why?