Your opinions on this litter potential

[vukc]

Hi there,

We are about to get our first GSD puppy from following litter:

Dam: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/590208.html

Sire:http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/pedigree/616618.html


Sire pictures:
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/picturegallery/10906.html

Dam pictures:
http://www.funkenspiel.com/omahae.htm

I would like to get your honest opinions (good and bad) about the potential of the puppies that will come out of this litter since we are planing to get one pup from them.

Thank you.

[Samba]

What are your plans for the pup?

[vukc]

Plans are to have a family companion with the slight possibility of Schutzhund sport participation or obedience. Schutzhund participation is not a big defining factor.

[dawnandjr]

Are those west german show lines? I know a lot of the working lines, but have no clue when it comes to show lines.

[onyx'girl]

They are showlines. And both sire & dam are only 2 yrs old...

[Uniballer]

This appears to be a show line breeding. The sire was apparently shown in the 2009 BSZS in Ulm in the Jungend Klasse Rueden (12-18 month males, if I recall correctly). He apparently received the rating U7 (not so good). Anybody have any information on what happened? There is no protection work in this class, so that wasn't it. There is no indication of any working title on the sire.

There is no information on show placement or working titles on the dam.

There is a 4-3 line breeding on VA-1(HR ,SCG) Unix vom Kapellenberg. I know nothing about this dog except what is online. Clearly, somebody valued this dog because pedigreedatabase lists 100 of his progeny. But this thread says that perhaps everything is not as it appears. I dunno...

Unix's koer report: Groß, kräftig, sehr typvoll, trocken und fest, sehr gutes Gepräge, hoher Widerrist, fester Rücken, gute Länge und Lage der Kruppe. Sehr gute Winkelungen der Vor- und Hinterhand, gerade Front, ausgeglichene Brustverhältnisse. Raumgreifende Gänge, kraftvoller Nachschub, freier Vortritt. Sicheres Wesen, Härte, Mut und Kampftrieb ausgeprägt; läßt ab.

My poor attempt at translation: Large, strong, very typey, dry and firm, very good condition, high withers, firm back, good length and lay of the croup. Very good front and rear angulation, straight front, balanced chest proportions. Ground-covering gait, strong rear drive, free front reach. Secure temperament, hardness, courage and fighting drive pronounced; does out.

Translation corrections welcome.

[robinhuerta]

The U7 is not really a placement.(IDT)?......."Ungenugend" is disqualification.(excused).
It can be caused by a couple of things, usually resulting from a "temperament issue or concern"..ie, gun shy, aggression to judge or handler, unsure or skittish..etc..etc.
I think the number 7 behind the U...is just because the dog is the 7th dog listed in the Foto Urma book or BSZS results.

[Uniballer]

Originally Posted by robinhuerta

The U7 is not really a placement.(IDT)?......."Ungenugend" is disqualification.(excused).
It can be caused by a couple of things, usually resulting from a "temperament issue or concern"..ie, gun shy, aggression to judge or handler, unsure or skittish..etc..etc.
I think the number 7 behind the U...is just because the dog is the 7th dog listed in the Foto Urma book or BSZS results.

Yes, "ungenugend" is generally translated into English in SchH circles as "insufficient". So whatever the reason it is unlikely that this dog is a very good breeding prospect.

[vukc]

Hi,

Thank you all for your replays.
So, from the existing comments I get that most of your are not fans of sire of this litter for following reasons:
· Sire is not titled
· Has placed insufficient at German sieger show in Ulm for male youth class in 2009.
For the dam I haven't seen any negative reasons except that "she is only two years old".

So far my only personal concern is the "U" at German Sieger show in Ulm. It would be interesting to find out why Kondor got "U".

However, not meaning to defend his "U" or bash anybody in particular, I have to admit that I have heard that in German sieger shows (German National Show) some dogs get favoured over the others, especially if they are coming out of Germany.
I found an interesting link with the results from 2009 German Sieger show in Ulm : http://www.schaeferhund.de/site/fileadmin/pdf/veranstaltungen/bsz_2009/listen/jklr.pdf
As you will notice there were only 1 dog out of 160+ from US and 1 dog from Canada participating in this event. (How many GSD reputable breeders do we have in USA?)
Also looking at geographical proximity of European countries, I noticed that there was not that many dogs coming out of rest of the Europe (except Italy - I). Hence (theoretically) Kondor coming back from Southeast Europe could have been deemed for failure from the get go?

Please note that the last comments are my speculations, and I will definitely try to find out from the breeder why he scored "U".

Are there any other comments that you can think of about these two dogs?

[vukc]

I forgot to mention one more thing -The 0 rating stands for Failed Bite work or biting/attacking the judge (instead of the helper)