help-need your imput

nickamber · 08-23-2010, 10:26 AM

I went to look at a red and black puppy 11 weeks old. The puppy was beautiful, seemed a little aloof doing his own thing,when he did come over to me he was very nippy ( but thats a pup for you) what do you think of his pedagree? i am going to pick him up later today but would like input please mother Cheyenne Shepherds sire-SG1 Danny von Wilhendorf. I really need your help thank you sire is on pedagree data base i also forgot the breeder wants the right to stud out with him in the future ok by me.

**JakodaCD OA** · 08-23-2010, 12:19 PM

where is 'mom's' pedigree?

It sounds like you've made your mind up since your picking him up this afternoon, so why ask us our opinion?

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How does the breeder 'know' he'll be stud material when he's only 11 weeks old? Cause he's a male?

Are you planning on doing anything specific with him other than stud him out?

Whiteshepherds · 08-23-2010, 12:35 PM

Do you have any information on the pups dam besides Cheyenne Shepherds?
Her full registerd name, Reg# maybe?
Where is Cheyenne Shepherds located?

nickamber · 08-23-2010, 01:00 PM

Its not my idea to stud him out. She asked me if it was ok. The mom's pedagree is not on the data base. i did not put down a deposit,so I really wanted to know what you all thought about this breeding and the bloodlines. The puppy is 11 weeks,the only thing that I was concerned about was the fact the puppy did not seem so interested in us. i spent time playing with him. The other thing was she let me pick out the puppy, I told her what i was looking for in a German Shepherd,she said she thinks the buyer should pick their own puppy. He has show qualities ( still too young to know) so i would like to show him. Also would like to Schulz. him. he will be more than just a pet. She usually does aspay or neuter contract,but like i said she wants to be able to use him as a stud her not me. I do not know anything about breeding,thats why i leave that to the pros' (which I am not) I have always owned German Shepherds. anyway what i needed from everyone was just opions on bloodlines and also at 11 weeks should he be more atentive towrds people and not so aloof. oh and she is located in Springhill fl

Whiteshepherds · 08-23-2010, 01:39 PM

I would question the lack of information for the dam. I definitely wouldn't buy the puppy unless that information was provided.

I would also visit the OFA site to see hip ratings etc.
You can track Danny back through his sire and dam and at least see hip/elbow ratings for some of the siblings and half siblings. (his hips are good, his mothers are fair, father's are normal)

Again, how can you even begin to determine how good the line is without the dam's information?

nickamber · 08-23-2010, 02:15 PM

Gemini-mother of the litter her sire is VA4 Enzo von Buchhorn . I am going up to see him and spend some more time with him. as far as temperament goes. Do you think he is too aloof, I mean he really did not follow us, when playing with him he really did his own thing and seemed very independent. maybe that's a good thing? i like his body structure and his deep red and black coloring. i know not to base a pup by the colors . I am wondering about his temperament. i am used to pups really wanting to follow you,play etc. this boy like i said is very independent. did not like being held. Do you think he is dominate?

Whiteshepherds · 08-23-2010, 02:50 PM

This is fun, it's like a giant puzzle.

So the dam's name is Gemini and she's from a breeder in Springhill Florida. Did they give you her registerd name and is the kennel she's out of called Cheyenne Shepherds? (I can't find them online, do they have a website?)

Gemini was bred to Danny von Wilhendorf and this is the litter you're getting your puppy from.....is that correct?

I'm still wondering why all the information for the puppies mother isn't being given. It's nice they gave you part of it but there's still more to the story.

Could be nothing but it would send up red flags for me.

Just curious, how many puppies does she have left from this litter?

nickamber · 08-23-2010, 03:08 PM

she had 10 sold 2 males. How i found this breeder was from pedagree data base. a women on there bought one of the males. She owned the pup for 2 weeks and just says its the best pup she ever had, house broken lead trained just a joy to have. She bought the mother of the litter about a year ago from another breeder- the mother is 4 years old. NO OFA on the mother red flags?

Whiteshepherds · 08-23-2010, 03:38 PM

Yes, no OFA on the mother is red flags and so is not knowing if she's registered, what her pedigree is etc. etc.

The puppies could be wonderful, my gosh people get mixed breeds and rescues all the time with little or no information and they're great dogs, BUT!

When you deal with a breeder that throws around half a pedigree it's suspicious. You don't have to answer this but are you paying top dollar for this dog and have you asked if he comes with papers?

nickamber · 08-23-2010, 06:43 PM

went to see the pup today. I am not getting him. I found out the mother could not pass her ofa. also the pups are really not socialized, she kept them in the garage. So I am just going to keep looking. thanks for your help white shepherds

08-23-2010, 10:26 AM	#1 (permalink)
nickamber Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 32	help-need your imput I went to look at a red and black puppy 11 weeks old. The puppy was beautiful, seemed a little aloof doing his own thing,when he did come over to me he was very nippy ( but thats a pup for you) what do you think of his pedagree? i am going to pick him up later today but would like input please mother Cheyenne Shepherds sire-SG1 Danny von Wilhendorf. I really need your help thank you sire is on pedagree data base i also forgot the breeder wants the right to stud out with him in the future ok by me. Last edited by nickamber; 08-23-2010 at 10:34 AM.

08-23-2010, 12:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
JakodaCD OA Moderator Join Date: May 2000 Location: Old Lyme, CT USA Posts: 14,237	where is 'mom's' pedigree? It sounds like you've made your mind up since your picking him up this afternoon, so why ask us our opinion?) How does the breeder 'know' he'll be stud material when he's only 11 weeks old? Cause he's a male? Are you planning on doing anything specific with him other than stud him out? __________________ Diane Danger Danger vom Kleinen Hain aka Masi "Angel" Jakoda's Bewitchen Sami CD OA OAJ OAC NGC OJC RS-O GS-N JS-O TT HIC CGC "Angel" Steinwald's Four x Four CGC HIC TT Harmonyhill's Hy Jynx NA NAJ NAC NJC RS-N JS-N HIC Jakoda's Jagged Edge

08-23-2010, 12:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
Whiteshepherds Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Northeastern Connecticut Posts: 2,771	Do you have any information on the pups dam besides Cheyenne Shepherds? Her full registerd name, Reg# maybe? Where is Cheyenne Shepherds located?

08-23-2010, 01:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
nickamber Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 32	Its not my idea to stud him out. She asked me if it was ok. The mom's pedagree is not on the data base. i did not put down a deposit,so I really wanted to know what you all thought about this breeding and the bloodlines. The puppy is 11 weeks,the only thing that I was concerned about was the fact the puppy did not seem so interested in us. i spent time playing with him. The other thing was she let me pick out the puppy, I told her what i was looking for in a German Shepherd,she said she thinks the buyer should pick their own puppy. He has show qualities ( still too young to know) so i would like to show him. Also would like to Schulz. him. he will be more than just a pet. She usually does aspay or neuter contract,but like i said she wants to be able to use him as a stud her not me. I do not know anything about breeding,thats why i leave that to the pros' (which I am not) I have always owned German Shepherds. anyway what i needed from everyone was just opions on bloodlines and also at 11 weeks should he be more atentive towrds people and not so aloof. oh and she is located in Springhill fl

08-23-2010, 01:39 PM	#5 (permalink)
Whiteshepherds Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Northeastern Connecticut Posts: 2,771	I would question the lack of information for the dam. I definitely wouldn't buy the puppy unless that information was provided. I would also visit the OFA site to see hip ratings etc. You can track Danny back through his sire and dam and at least see hip/elbow ratings for some of the siblings and half siblings. (his hips are good, his mothers are fair, father's are normal) Again, how can you even begin to determine how good the line is without the dam's information?

08-23-2010, 02:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
nickamber Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 32	Gemini-mother of the litter her sire is VA4 Enzo von Buchhorn . I am going up to see him and spend some more time with him. as far as temperament goes. Do you think he is too aloof, I mean he really did not follow us, when playing with him he really did his own thing and seemed very independent. maybe that's a good thing? i like his body structure and his deep red and black coloring. i know not to base a pup by the colors . I am wondering about his temperament. i am used to pups really wanting to follow you,play etc. this boy like i said is very independent. did not like being held. Do you think he is dominate?

08-23-2010, 02:50 PM	#7 (permalink)
Whiteshepherds Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Northeastern Connecticut Posts: 2,771	This is fun, it's like a giant puzzle. So the dam's name is Gemini and she's from a breeder in Springhill Florida. Did they give you her registerd name and is the kennel she's out of called Cheyenne Shepherds? (I can't find them online, do they have a website?) Gemini was bred to Danny von Wilhendorf and this is the litter you're getting your puppy from.....is that correct? I'm still wondering why all the information for the puppies mother isn't being given. It's nice they gave you part of it but there's still more to the story. Could be nothing but it would send up red flags for me. Just curious, how many puppies does she have left from this litter?

08-23-2010, 03:08 PM	#8 (permalink)
nickamber Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 32	she had 10 sold 2 males. How i found this breeder was from pedagree data base. a women on there bought one of the males. She owned the pup for 2 weeks and just says its the best pup she ever had, house broken lead trained just a joy to have. She bought the mother of the litter about a year ago from another breeder- the mother is 4 years old. NO OFA on the mother red flags?

08-23-2010, 03:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
Whiteshepherds Knighted Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Northeastern Connecticut Posts: 2,771	Yes, no OFA on the mother is red flags and so is not knowing if she's registered, what her pedigree is etc. etc. The puppies could be wonderful, my gosh people get mixed breeds and rescues all the time with little or no information and they're great dogs, BUT! When you deal with a breeder that throws around half a pedigree it's suspicious. You don't have to answer this but are you paying top dollar for this dog and have you asked if he comes with papers?

08-23-2010, 06:43 PM	#10 (permalink)
nickamber Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 32	went to see the pup today. I am not getting him. I found out the mother could not pass her ofa. also the pups are really not socialized, she kept them in the garage. So I am just going to keep looking. thanks for your help white shepherds

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