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Old 10-14-2014, 01:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Puppy mills produce a lot of pups. For reputable breeders some produce 15-16 litters per se and still be count as a puppy mill? Still the dogs end up healthy for many owners, although there can be an odd time where pup is unhealthy.
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A puppy mill is breeding the dogs to quickly sell whether they have good or bad bloodlines/health. A reputable breeder will take into account a lot of factors before breeding such as health, bloodline, temperament, etc.

Just google what a puppy mill is and you'll see the difference between a reputable breeder and a mill.
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Puppy mills produce a lot of pups. For reputable breeders some produce 15-16 litters per se and still be count as a puppy mill? Still the dogs end up healthy for many owners, although there can be an odd time where pup is unhealthy.
Puppy mills crank out puppies as quickly as possible to make money, which makes the bloodlines of their pups and the health of the dams suffer. 15-16 litters doesn't mean puppy mill automatically, it depends on how many dams they've used and over what amount of time, I would think. I'm not a breeder, so this is just my opinion!

For example, if that number is over the course of say a career of 16 years, that comes to about one litter a year or so - which is generally more than quite reasonable (as long as the dam is within acceptable age range for breeding throughout that span of time). If the number is over the course of say 2 years, that's 8 litters a year which means they have several litters on the ground at once, and are probably cranking out pups like nobodys business.

A good breeder will put in a lot of work into their pairings as well, and know their lines. Bloodlines, health, temperament, confirmation, etc is all stuff that puppy millers don't generally take painstaking time over .

Bottom line though, you want to research your breeder and spend some time here. You'll find out what you need to know if you look!

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One cannot compare a Hyundai to a Cadillac in my opinion.
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You can purchase from a breeder and still make a value based decision by supporting breeders who treat their dogs the way you'd prefer dogs be treated.

You can get a Cadillac from 2 dealers - one who treats their customers well after a sale, one who doesn't, your research, and what is important to you will tell you which you want to deal with.

You can also get a dog from someone who has the experience of having the dogs in an environment similar to the one you are going to have them live in, and can relate their house manners, other animal interactions, or you can buy from someone who has kennels and staff.

It's your money, so you get to decide what is important to you.
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One cannot compare a Hyundai to a Cadillac in my opinion.
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One cannot compare a Hyundai to a Cadillac in my opinion.

Hyundai is a better quality and Cadillac cost more?
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Jean, I am sorry if I put my thought down in a manner that you did not agree with. Why, you ask...

Stella (rip), came to me via a friend (her chow and Stella did NOT like each other) bought her from byb, she had bad hips (diagnosed at 6 months), allergies to food, runny eyes, she was agressive from the getgo. I took her to school, to the vet for needles for allergies, cleaned her ears every Friday, I did my best. She eventually accepted other dogs, but took years. I was told
the place she came from was dirty and smelly, and the mother was fearful. But none the less, I LOVED her with all my heart!

Now, Fritz, I bought from a breeder who shows dogs, he is healthy, friendly, happy.. Sure, sometimes he is a pain in the butt, but I have something I can depend upon.

Maybe Cadillac to Hyundai was wrong.. In hindsight, oranges to apples probably would have been better.



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You can purchase from a breeder and still make a value based decision by supporting breeders who treat their dogs the way you'd prefer dogs be treated.

You can get a Cadillac from 2 dealers - one who treats their customers well after a sale, one who doesn't, your research, and what is important to you will tell you which you want to deal with.

You can also get a dog from someone who has the experience of having the dogs in an environment similar to the one you are going to have them live in, and can relate their house manners, other animal interactions, or you can buy from someone who has kennels and staff.

It's your money, so you get to decide what is important to you.
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There's so much more to a breeder than the number of puppies they produce. I know for a fact there are breeders that this forum respects and reccomends that produce upwards of a litter a month. Debanne...your experience is just one, with just two dogs. Sure, it's the more probable outcome when you think about statistics, but I have a dog that came from a "byb" who is extremely stable and a very good dog. I'm doing IPO with him, have done SDA work, titled in AKC venues. I also have one that comes from a much better breeder. Is she a better dog? Debatable in many aspects and is really all about what you're looking for.

Both dogs are healthy. Both dogs are friendly. And both dogs would be fine in any home. I've got friends that have spent 3 times what i did on my first dog and their dogs from those reputable breeders have health problems and in some cases have questionable temperaments or aren't able to do all that my boy has done.
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