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Old 07-03-2014, 08:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Have anyone bought puppy from this breeder ? Long Coat German Shepherds - Puppies For Sale - Breeders Of Oversized, Health Tested Dogs
Im thinking to get my 2nd GSD next winter. I need to know how is the puppy health, temperament and drive.
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Old 07-03-2014, 08:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I personally do not like the looks of their dogs. They health test which is good, but I find his dogs to be light years away from standard. My long coat girl Athena is from a stock coat parents. If I was going to get from a long coat breeder I would not choose pioneer. My suggestion is look for a good breeder and ask if they ever have long coat pups. But if your set on long coat breeder check out kelly peet or schlossfelsen kennels.
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Just be sure that both parents have good hips and the parentage is cleared for dm. I see where not all the adults have their hip rating listed. No personal experience though. My Sting is oversize - 30 inches tall 130 lbs but from not specifically bred to be that big -he was just twice as big as the others in the litter. He has a good drive and doesn't fit the usual temperament description of the oversize ones. You could ask the breeder for some references and also visit them and meet their dogs before deciding on a pup.
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Before you call and talk to any breeders you need to spend a few hours on

How to find a puppy!

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Link: How to tell a good breeder website from a bad one.

There are SO many poor breeders out there with pups that have poor health and/or temperament and I know my $$$ is going to those breeders who are doing their best and KNOW alot to help avoid those issues.

Since both a long coat and 'giant' type are NOT what our breed is supposed to be, I personally wouldn't go to a breeder who's breeding that (same as if they wanted a GSD with a curly coat, or that was a midget, or had long floppy ears, or.............. those are NOT what a GSD is supposed to be.)

HOWEVER, you may want to instead not get a GSD at all. There are both Shiloh and King Shepherds who would be both giant and long coated and are supposed to be that way.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/shilohshepherd.htm

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/kingshepherd.htm
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Before you call and talk to any breeders you need to spend a few hours on

How to find a puppy!

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Link: How to tell a good breeder website from a bad one.

There are SO many poor breeders out there with pups that have poor health and/or temperament and I know my $$$ is going to those breeders who are doing their best and KNOW alot to help avoid those issues.

Since both a long coat and 'giant' type are NOT what our breed is supposed to be, I personally wouldn't go to a breeder who's breeding that (same as if they wanted a GSD with a curly coat, or that was a midget, or had long floppy ears, or.............. those are NOT what a GSD is supposed to be.)

HOWEVER, you may want to instead not get a GSD at all. There are both Shiloh and King Shepherds who would be both giant and long coated and are supposed to be that way.

Shiloh Shepherd Information and Pictures, Shiloh Shepherds, Shiloh Shepherd Dog, Shiloh Shepherd Dogs

King Shepherd Information and Pictures, King Shepherds
Thanks Maggie , its also cause people say the classic or " old fashioned " so i thought its the original ones.
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Since the original 'classic/old fashioned GSD's looked like (and were certainly neither long haired or giant):

http://www.aboutgermanshepherddog.co...n-of-gsd-breed shows how poor breeders use ploys to get us confused about what we think we what/know.

First GSD's looked like:


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there may have been some oversized dogs but definitely not the entire breed
the gsd is classified as a 'medium sized' working dog
these dogs could not herd a sheep to save their souls
they are more akin in size to a livestock guardian dog which by definition and temperament are not herding dogs

think of the best herding breeds
the cream of the crop in herding are border collies and aussies and kelpies

do you see them weighing over 100lb and able to run all day and keep those sheep moving?

people always forget the shepherd part of the German shepherd dog

what i find sad is that any dog of this size
between 24" and 24 1/2",
would be called a midget by some who have no idea what a gsd is supposed to look like

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Since the original 'classic/old fashioned GSD's looked like (and were certainly neither long haired or giant):

About German Shepherd Dog : Foundation Dogs of GSD Breed | Horand Von Grafrath - German Herding Dog With Excellent Shepherding Quality shows how poor breeders use ploys to get us confused about what we think we what/know.

Look at these GSD's in WWII, neither giant or long coated. (BTW, many of thse dogs were donated by USA families to help with the war effort)

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btw old fashion or old fashioned is merely a selling ploy
when you see those words on a website chances are it is not a legit breeder despite the $1200 + price tag on the dogs
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Thanks Maggie , its also cause people say the classic or " old fashioned " so i thought its the original ones.
It's a gimmick to sell puppies. I'd look elsewhere.
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