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Old 05-22-2014, 01:25 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Where have you been looking? I'm in Milwaukee, and most of the decent breeders are right on the WI/IL border if you're talking in our area.

I know a breeder with a great long-hair WGWL bitch. But she actively tries to avoid breeding to males that might carry the long hair gene. It's really less about the current puppies, and more about the future of the breeding program. Long hair is a fault and many people (especially those planning on breeding) don't want them, so you're really eliminating a lot of buyers. Breeders want their dogs going to homes where they will be worked, trialed, shown...those types of homes are the ones that give the breeder a bigger name and good marketing.

PM me if you have any questions, I can recommend some people in the area.
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ok...let's move past the why. Doesn't matter now.

What exactly are your plans for this puppy? Since you don't know anything about the lines, much like me, I would suggest you find clubs and go watch the dogs. My puppy is WG/Czech/Dutch/EG. I think many dogs are now a mix of the lines so to ask for one specific line is probably not realistic.
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Im looking to be able to at the most get to IPO 1. i got a chance to see bite work up close and its intense! Looking for a dog that can be around lots of people and be willing to learn and play and one that i shouldn't have a problem training towards ipo1. Im definitely a novice as i have stated and from what i read too high a drive might be a problem? I've read a lot about "off switches" so if he can differentiate home and training that would be ideal.
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Im looking to be able to at the most get to IPO 1. i got a chance to see bite work up close and its intense! Looking for a dog that can be around lots of people and be willing to learn and play and one that i shouldn't have a problem training towards ipo1. Im definitely a novice as i have stated and from what i read too high a drive might be a problem? I've read a lot about "off switches" so if he can differentiate home and training that would be ideal.
Then do what I did. Don't worry about lines and coat. Go to the clubs and trials. Watch the dogs, ask questions. If you listen to people, you can't help but learn Then find the dogs you like and contact those breeders.

I wanted a black. I'm very partial to black animals. but the best choice for me was a sable and I just love everything about him.
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Instead of focusing so much on lines why don't you simply talk to the breeders, tell them what you would like and your lack of experience. That's what I did. Granted I did end up with a ddr/Czech mix. I as a breeder would be hesitant too if someone with no experience kept changing their mind on what they wanted because of what they read online instead of talking to me and other experienced breeders. Good breeders know their dogs, what they produce, what owners can handle

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the best choice for me was a sable and I just love everything about him.
That's most certainly because sables(especially black sables) are the bestest.
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If you think you want to do IPO, go to some clubs, most of the ones I know of in your area have breeders in teh club...get a puppy off someone with a vested interest in you being successful with your puppy.

Coat and color are going to be at the bottom of the priority list if you want to get a working prospect and need guidance....

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Why? As a breeder we should be wanting to do more than just sell puppies. We should be educating the buyers. Yes, having someone who keeps changing their mind can be frustrating, but many of those people can be helped and guided. I have helped steer a number of people to the right litters for them. It took a lot of my time, but if the buyer is happy that is what should matter. It is good not only for that buyer and puppy, but also for the breed.
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If you think you want to do IPO, go to some clubs, most of the ones I know of in your area have breeders in teh club...get a puppy off someone with a vested interest in you being successful with your puppy.

Coat and color are going to be at the bottom of the priority list if you want to get a working prospect and need guidance....

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Agree with Lee...in the beginning you think coat/color are important, once you have the dog, it wouldn't matter and it's better to have everything else correct. The dog will be beautiful regardless.
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Agree on the education. That is paramount and what people should be doing.

We do the same for schutzhund. And in regards to puppies, as well as timing of puppies: how close in age, no two puppies at same time (schutzhund or other), etc.
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