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Old 04-14-2014, 03:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was looking at some breeders in Canada and a few looked interesting but I was a bit put off by some of their contracts and applications. One requested very personal information such as whether or not someone has mental illness in the home Another one had a contract that stated if you spayed/neutered the dog before 2 years, didn't feed it a raw diet (oh and keep those receipts to prove it ), not to use halti's unless the breeder tells you to, allow your dog to pull on the leash causing it to gag would void your warranty.

Now I do understand the need to place a dog in a good home and asking someone questions about their lifestyle, experience with GSDs, etc and ensuring the dog is not just left outside or fed poor food but this seems a bit over the top??? Or am I just being sensitive???
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Way over the top for me! I will feed what I want, train how and with what and with whom I want. If a breeder doesn't like it they are welcome not to sell me a dog but I would never buy a dog with all these clauses in the contract.
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That's a heck of a vetting process. lol
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I can understand the mental illness question as this could have direct bearing on the safety of the dog and on the ability of the family to properly care for it. So that could be a legitimate concern of the breeder, especially if they had a bad experience in the past.

I don't agree with putting stipulations such as food, training equipment, etc... in the contract. To me that is too restrictive. Once the puppy goes home, it is no longer the breeder's dog, it is the owner's dog. If the breeder is that concerned about food and training it would IMO be better to thoroughly discuss those things with potential buyers upfront and then only sell to those who are like minded in those respects rather than trying to force people to do things that they aren't comfortable with or knowledgeable about just to keep their warranty intact.
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Hi everyone,

I was looking at some breeders in Canada and a few looked interesting but I was a bit put off by some of their contracts and applications. One requested very personal information such as whether or not someone has mental illness in the home Another one had a contract that stated if you spayed/neutered the dog before 2 years, didn't feed it a raw diet (oh and keep those receipts to prove it ), not to use halti's unless the breeder tells you to, allow your dog to pull on the leash causing it to gag would void your warranty.

Now I do understand the need to place a dog in a good home and asking someone questions about their lifestyle, experience with GSDs, etc and ensuring the dog is not just left outside or fed poor food but this seems a bit over the top??? Or am I just being sensitive???
They should keep these dogs themselves if they do not trust anyone else. If I purchase a dog it should be mine and if the breeder doesn't trust me, well, there are more pups from other breeders. It sounds like some rescue contracts.
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Hi everyone,

I was looking at some breeders in Canada and a few looked interesting but I was a bit put off by some of their contracts and applications. One requested very personal information such as whether or not someone has mental illness in the home Another one had a contract that stated if you spayed/neutered the dog before 2 years, didn't feed it a raw diet (oh and keep those receipts to prove it ), not to use halti's unless the breeder tells you to, allow your dog to pull on the leash causing it to gag would void your warranty.

Now I do understand the need to place a dog in a good home and asking someone questions about their lifestyle, experience with GSDs, etc and ensuring the dog is not just left outside or fed poor food but this seems a bit over the top??? Or am I just being sensitive???
What titles does this breeder carry on the bloodline >? Are these all 5 figure champs. If not, I got exactly what I was looking 4...
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Meh, if they're still able to sell their dogs even with such a contract. All the power to them. I'd also question how easily that's enforceable. I'd never purchase a dog with that many restrictions on it, I'd actually never purchase a dog with ANY restrictions on it. It's way too easy to find a good breeder, producing amazing dogs, from titled parents, that doesn't have any restrictions on the dogs.

Remember, the care a breeder takes in vetting their potential customers doesn't say anything about the quality of their dogs or their breeding practices.
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Old 04-14-2014, 05:26 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Way over the top for me! I will feed what I want, train how and with what and with whom I want.
That was what my thinking was as well...

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It sounds like some rescue contracts.
I know what you mean, a rescue in my area includes statements such as they retain the right to inspect the animal at any time and you need to have written approval before euthanizing the animal if sick etc

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Remember, the care a breeder takes in vetting their potential customers doesn't say anything about the quality of their dogs or their breeding practices.
Actually it made me wonder how sound their animals are if they appear to be looking for all sorts of excuses to invalidate the warranty (although honestly I wouldn't return a dog because of health issues anyway)...but I was concerned I was just being sensitive about it.
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It sounds like someone had a pup bite a person with a mental problem in the family, and had other pups that developed some problems like cancer, digestive problems, or hip/elbow problems.

All breeders sooner or later will produce some serious health, structural, or even temperament problems. It sounds like this breeder will, most likely, blame the owners for their method of care, and unless you have receipts that PROVE the dog is eating the diet that they want the dog to eat, and prove that you have not allowed the dog to pull (how?) their health warranty isn't worth the parchment it is typed on.

I would pass.

Breeders should educate and encourage buyers to raise and train the puppy in the way that is successful in their lines, but to demand it, and to void a warranty due to a list of ordinary environmental things, is over the top.

Requiring a diagnosis, or second opinion with a specialist, certain tests or certifying agencies for some conditions, is reasonable.
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They asked you about your mental health? I would "almost" be inclined to say that's borderline illegal, but its probably just an oversight (pretty sure there's a law about the right to privacy somewhere). I think a more appropriate question would be, "Have you ever been conflicted of any crimes against animals?". There are many mental health issues that are known to be less severe when someone interacts with an animal/animals on a daily basis. They say that animals help people in dealing with things like depression and anxiety. Hopefully I am not alone on this one lol...if so, my apologies ahead of time. Maybe in Canada it's different...
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