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WadeGSD 03-31-2014 01:11 AM

Showline breeders that don't linebreed?
Pretty much impossible to find for me so far (as you would think due to the nature of the business).

Is anyone familiar with any or know anyone with an upcoming litter that isn't linebred?

Blitzkrieg1 03-31-2014 01:24 AM

Line breeding itself is not inherently bad. Its the goal of the linebreeding and the individuals that you linebreed on that can cause issues.
If your line breeding for pigment or toplines as opposed to workability then you get what you get. Then again if your outcrossing for those same traits I dont see you being much better off.

Xeph 03-31-2014 02:19 AM

Indeed. What specific reason are you looking for for no line breeding?

Everybody does it, show AND working lines.

My first litter is an outcross, but my second will be linebred on a couple of dogs.

WadeGSD 03-31-2014 03:23 AM

Part of it is health. Part of it is just me not agreeing with the practice on a personal level. I'm not judging anyone who does it with good intentions. It's just not something I feel comfortable with.

Just to clarify, title is worded incorrectly. I'm not necessarily looking for breeders who don't linebreed, rather just a SL breeding from a good breeder that isn't linebred.

Dainerra 03-31-2014 07:00 AM

linebreeding is a way to lock in good health. Whether or not a litter is linebred or an outcross has less impact on health than the dogs behind the breeding.

what personal problem do you have with linebreeding? Just curious because I've heard people say that before but never got an explanation on what they don't like about it

Blitzkrieg1 03-31-2014 08:58 AM

Most any good breeder linebreeds to develope their own specific bloodline. The goal being to lock in a certain type of look or character traits they like in a dog.

Many people anthromorphize and assume whats taboo in the western world should be the same with companion animals. Its not.

Im sure you can find an outcross but unless its a repeat litter it one big crapshoot as to how the pups turnout.

Liesje 03-31-2014 09:07 AM

If you're talking about WGSL, good luck. What linebreeding do you not like? Like, what numbers do you find unacceptable? I would posit that you're not going to find litters being bred today with *zero*, in, say, 6 generations.

Wild Wolf 03-31-2014 09:27 AM

I don't think you'll find a puppy with absolutely no line-breeding, all purebred dogs technically are line-bred even it if may be 8 or even 20 generations back.

Do you mean inbreeding? The practice of breeding mother to son, or perhaps even cousin to cousin?

blackshep 03-31-2014 11:04 AM

There's a difference between linebreeding and inbreeding.

carmspack 03-31-2014 11:09 AM

see iceberg breeders

Elliot Humphrey , part designer of the Fortunate Fields guide dog breeding program , in a later article said that without variety you can have no improvement.
Mirroring that statement van Oirschot "we got uniformity in genetic makeup and that means loss of genetic variation" ..... "Hochzucht breeding became a matter of copying the successful formula of the successful breeders; doing more of the same. The demand for type was a demand for the predominant type set by a world famous kennel "von der Wienerau". To deviate from this type was to deviate from the Hochzucht breeding. Hochzucht developed into a one way street."

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