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Nikki-Rose 03-03-2014 05:16 PM

Bad experiences with rescue groups
Hi everyone, this is my first time on this site! I have spent a couple hours reading through posts and have leant a bunch.
I am currently on the market for 2 GSD dogs. I have been looking for over a year now.

I originally was going through rescues and shelters because I see "Adopt Don't Shop" campaigns all over. The first dog I got from a local rescue group was a 6 year old German Shepherd mix(he looked like a giant long coat shepherd). He died 2 weeks after I got him of heart failure from having bad heart worms. The rescue group said it was my fault because their vet cleared him healthy. My vet said there was no way he could gotten heart worms that badly in the 2 weeks I had him. Plus, supposedly the rescue had him on HW preventative when I adopted him.
After that I went to shelters and after a while met and fell in love with this little shepherd girl. She couldn't be adopted at the time because she had a new litter of puppies. I offered to foster them all but they said you have to take a class and be a member of a rescue group to do so. I gave them my number and came and visited her every couple days. After 5 weeks the shelter calls me to say a rescue group is taking her and the puppies to find them homes. I call the rescue group to say that I really want to adopt her and that I already have a connection with her. They wont adopt her out to me because I live outside of their adoption area!(side note, she is still to this day not adopted!!)
Next I started looking at rescue groups again. I found a beautiful shepherd cattle dog mix that sounded like her personality would fit me perfectly. I contacted the rescue and they agreed that it sounded like a match. I asked to meet her and they said they don't schedule meetings without a deposit so that they know they aren't wasting their time. I put a deposit down and didn't hear back from them for 2 weeks. Finally they sent me an email saying that they don't actually have her yet. They had adopted her out to a farm in another state and she didn't adjust well to farm life so the people wanted to give her back to the rescue. The recue had no way to bring her back yet and wouldn't until this following winter when farming season is over.

Needless to say, I am through with rescues and shelters! They have been some of the most un-honest people I have ever delt with. I have spent just over $3500(vet bills and deposit fees only) so far trying to get a dog and have nothing to show for it besides a terrifying story of having your new dog die of heart failure while up on Runyon Canyon and trying to carry 135# of dead weight back down.

I am looking for a very honest breeder.
But having gone through all this already I have put together exact profile of what my 2 ideal GSDs will look like and behave like.
Would it be presumptuous of me to send exactly what I am wanting to a breeder I find? I am more than willing to wait for the right dogs to come along once I find the right breeder(or breeders probably for what I am wanting.)

Any advise on how to spot an honest breeder? I have already contacted a few breeders in my area and was not impressed with any of them. One actually told me I ask too many questions!

Is it bad to be precise on what color of dog you want?

Zlata 03-03-2014 05:25 PM

I'm sorry that you have had such a bad experience with the rescues and shelters in your area. :( We, too, had a bit of an issue with the rescue where we got our dog. It definitely opened my eyes to the fact that all rescues are not created the same. I now have the pleasure of volunteering with a very credible, stable rescue, and it taught me that I would never get another dog from the rescue we originally did. It also makes me sad that rescues/shelters can be so radical. I think it can push people toward breeders, and especially backyard breeders since many people don't take the time to educate themselves about the differences. So, I applaud you for reaching out to do your research about breeders. We might be able to help you locate a reputable breeder based on your location and the type of dog you are looking for. It is not presumptuous to know what you're looking for in a dog--in fact, it's great! A good breeder should work with you, get a grasp of your goals and the qualities you like, and will match you with a dog accordingly. Although I always put temperament first, it doesn't hurt to have a color preference, but I wouldn't make it my first priority. :)

meldy 03-03-2014 05:46 PM

I don't know how to link stuff but there are a bunch of stickies about picking responsible breeders and such.

martemchik 03-03-2014 05:54 PM

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Post your location, people will give recommendations.

I'll tell you this much though...a reputable breeder is extremely unlikely to sell you two GSD pups at the same time. And if they have older dogs that they're looking to rehome, they're still unlikely to give you both at the same time because its just a well known fact that dealing with two dogs at the same time is exponentially harder than just one.

Harry and Lola 03-03-2014 05:55 PM

This is really sad, you sound like a very caring person and would be able to give a dog in need a wonderful life - what are these rescues organisations doing? I hope it is not all about the dollar for them.:(

gsdsar 03-03-2014 05:56 PM

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I am sorry for the trouble you have encountered trying to adopt. It's very sad.

As for getting a puppy from a breeder. I would plan on getting 1 puppy at a time. Don't go in to it wanting 2 puppies at the same time. Many good breeders will not even do that. It makes it much harder to bond with each dog as an individual.

There is nothing wrong with color preference.

Asking a breeder to sell you a dog that adheres to very certain behaviors. Well that's going to turn any breeder off, why? Because it's your job as the owner to teach what you want. The best a breeder can do us give you a general personality, activity and drive level. That's it.

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my boy diesel 03-03-2014 06:01 PM

good breeders are like good rescues and will screen the homes
as others have said i doubt you can find one to sell u two dogs or pups at once
in the good breeder department

now a backyard breeder on the other hand will give u anything u want as long as you have money in hand

i am sorry about your rescue experiences
i can tell u not all rescues are like that

Nikki-Rose 03-03-2014 06:12 PM

I am not sure how to do an actual reply to a single person on here.

I am in the SoCal area but am will to travel anywhere for the right breeder. My rescue dog that died was from Georgia. So I have no problem with traveling and shipping.

I should of better worded what I am looking for. I am pretty new to the world of breeders and am still learning some of the terminology used.
While I want 2 dogs, I don't want them at the same time but I realize most breeders seem to have a couple months to a years wait list so I want to go on and get on a wait list for them both.
Especially for what I am looking for the wait might be even longer.
I want a black and red from a west german show line and a long coat either black sable or red sable from, I guess where I have seen these produced is working lines(ddr)?
For personality I want ones that are not very high in drive but still very active as I am a very active individual with hiking and runs every single day along with daily beach trips(it's right out my back door). My work is very active(always outside and moving) and the dog would accompany me every day. I do NOT have an actual yard but I got one of my balconies fake grassed. It is 10 feet out, 25 feet long and then turns for another 10x24 feet(L shaped). The dog would never been home alone, and I'm only home at night from about 10pm-6am every day. So very active.
I have a trainer already lines up, and am wanting to get my dog into dog surfing and skating as well as trained in personal protection(more so for the dogs fun than my own).

I would be interested in retired breeders or possibly dogs held back that just didn't turn out as I love those little imperfections that breeders see in dogs, I think it makes them cute. As well as started younger dogs or puppies just ready to go.

I hope this gives some insight as to what it is I am looking for.

Nikki-Rose 03-03-2014 06:25 PM

Also, here are photos i've been collecting off of google(sorry if it's your dog!) of my ideal look for a sable. For black/red its pretty basic.

Mocha 03-03-2014 06:28 PM

I have nothing to say other than the fact that I have seen some incredibly shady rescues and I hardly trust any of them, it doesn't surprise me at all of your encounters.

Do I dare say I think some of them even go as far as make a profit and the call themselves non profit ? -_-
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Plan on one puppy, and then feel it out some before immediately putting a deposit on a future puppy.

But if you absolutely want to put down your name for two right now, almost any good breeder will be willing to move your deposit to a later litter if you decide you're not exactly ready for the second one when it comes available.

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