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Old 02-11-2014, 04:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah, I just want a companion who will be healthy and trainable. I'm not looking to show or breed. And I think that the male "Zak" has a really cool coat, but I know that sometimes rarities in appearance carry health concerns. Is this not true with variance in coat?

I believe in certain breeds such as rough coat collies and aussie shepherds that variances in coat colors can carry some negative characteristics ( real health issues ) if certain coat colors are bred together such as a dual merle breeding.

I am not certain if the same exists with GSDs as I have never taken the time to look into it...excellent question on your behalf..perhaps someone in this forum knows the answer to your question.


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I am very interested in getting a pup from this breeder. Anyone have a dog from them/ have anything to say about them?
Why? What attracts you to this breeder?

I have no firsthand familiarity with their dogs, and their site keeps making my browser crash so I haven't been able to get a good look at what's posted there, but the couple of pages that I did see were sufficient to convince me that personally, I'd pass.
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I do not know this breeder so this is not about them.

Please explain to me how a breeder that does NOTHING with their dogs, other than being nice pets, knows enough about nerve and temperament in their dogs? How do they test these things? I have always wondered about that.
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Old 02-11-2014, 04:12 PM   #14 (permalink)
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this still does NOT stop a pup from an untitled breeding to earn it's agility etc. titles if the owner chooses
It is true that having untitled parents, in and of itself, won't prevent a puppy from growing up to have a decent sport career.

It is also true that if the breeder is not intensively training and trialing their dogs (which is what a performance title is ultimately supposed to prove -- it's just shorthand for, and external proof of, that whole process), they've got no way of actually knowing for sure whether the dogs they're breeding, and the puppies they're producing, are likely to succeed in that or any other venue.

There is an entire universe of difference in quality between a well-bred dog and a poorly bred one. The training and trialing process shows it. Without that, you have no proof of anything. That's the only reason titles matter.
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Then we agree that a pup from an untitled breeding can obtain titles....that was my main point.

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Why? What attracts you to this breeder?

I have no firsthand familiarity with their dogs, and their site keeps making my browser crash so I haven't been able to get a good look at what's posted there, but the couple of pages that I did see were sufficient to convince me that personally, I'd pass.
I guess the things that attracted me to this breeder are first the less important things of geographic proximity to me, for easy pick up and time to pick up the pup.. I will be able to get it in may and the earlier the better so it was perfect.

Also price and availability.. I want a female and they have one for $1500.. Which in all actuality is the high end of what I want to spend but still doable.

Lastly is that I truthfully do like the coat on the male but if long coats carry some sort genetic ailments I wouldn't be as drawn to them...

Question: so If it is limited registration only will I still be able to title in say agility if I wanted to? Not saying that I do but curious nonetheless.
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Limited Registration means that the dog is registered but no litters produced by that dog are eligible for registration.

So go for it.....get all the titles you can of these////Obedience, Tracking, Field Trials, Hunting Tests, Herding, Lure Coursing, Agility and Earthdog.

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For $1500 you can get dogs from much more accomplished breedings than these. In my opinion that price is way inflated for what I'm seeing here.

Long-coated GSDs do not, to my knowledge, carry genetic ailments. That said, a breeder who is specifically aiming to produce long coats may be sacrificing other things in order to focus on that particular trait, so I would be a little more cautious in evaluating such a breeder.

Yes, you can compete and title in performance events (such as agility) with limited registration. The only event you'd be restricted from is conformation showing, which would be a complete waste of time and money with these dogs anyway.
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Linebreeding ? pretty heavy -- let's look at one dog "Simon"

His sire Baron Sterntal -- Baron Vom Sterntal

Baron's sire and dam are son and daughter of Rebel.

Kesse dam line has Ute - sister to Uland . Rebel is progeny of Uland.

Fina Baron's mothers mother is Ute , sister to Uland, sire of Rebel.

so just this portion of the pedigree is inbred U litter Sterntal.

Simon's mother Bobbie -sire line Hero II same - identical to Baron (Urass x Whilemina) . Bobbie dam line , repeating Urass again (Rebel x Kess both having U litter Sterntal) and again (through Jerry Lee) another Ute .
MORE (whilemina) Rebel which is Uland , U litter , Fina again which is Ute , so U litter again.

Pretty intense linebreeding , inbreeding on U litter Sterntal

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Oh wow, I didn't even get that far because my browser crashed.

That is... a really inbred pedigree.
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