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Old 02-09-2014, 04:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey all. I'm trying to choose between two different breeders. Both are having litters fairly close to each other. One set is PennHip certified and the second set are not hip certified at all.

Set one's Dad
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Does anyone have any suggestions?


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Old 02-09-2014, 05:00 PM   #2 (permalink)
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All the dogs are pretty. But honestly would need to know man than if they have hip ratings before making a decision.

Are any titled? What are you looking for in a GSD? Why did they breed these dogs together? Do they warranty the pups?


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Old 02-09-2014, 05:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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These are descriptions taken from both websites. Sorry I didn't post before.

Set 1's dad
Grimm van het Groot Wezenland, IPO1 is a large, strong, black sable dog, directly imported from the Netherlands. He is the son of WUSV Competitor Quint van het Groot Wezenland. Grimm, is a friendly, social dog in a family environment and a very driven dog on the working field. He has that combination of fierce drive and the balance to turn it off and be a great companion dog. He also has the instincts bred into these dogs to know friend from foe in protecting his family. He is good with all "friends", children, puppies and other dogs.
Grimm's progeny are performing on the working field in sport, SAR, estate protection and family companion. One of his sons has joined the Winston Salem NC police department as a dual purpose dog in Aug 2013. He is a proven producer of stable temperaments, correct structure and workability. Grimm has FCI a-1 hips, elbows and spine. He has also been evaluated using PennHip and is rated in the 95th percentile for German Shepherd Dogs...pedigree.

Set 1's Mom
Juno was imported from the kennel of Robin Winter from Canada in 2011. She is a black and red blanket back with intense pigmentation. She is Penn Hip certified for breeding, with normal elbows as well. She has her BH and AD titles already and will continue to train for further certifications. Robin has kept a female from Juno's litter for her breeding program. We are very thankful that Robin has allowed us the opportunity to add this very special female to our kennel. Juno is very social and her obedience is fabulous, yet she can turn on the drive and become a very focused working girl. Her pedigree is a combination of Robin's own lines along with some excellent Czech Republic and West German working lines. Expecting Grimm puppies late November.

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Weight: 85 lbs
Coat: Super pigmented black and red short stock
Temperament: Very sound minded, he is great with new people but always recognizes a threat.
Personality: Alpha male, very gentle playful with children and loves attention, super driven to work and please. Excellent conformation, big strong head with incredible strength.
Pedigree: Herding and show Kirschental imported lines, Grandson to V4 VA10 Panjo vom Kirschental you will also find 2x VA1 Yasko vom Farbenspiel on his mothers side.

Set 2's mom
Weight: 75 lbs
Coat: Black and tan blanket back short stock
Temperament: Great around strangers and new people
Description: High prey and ball drive. Always alert and clear headed. Has very shiny coat with great pigmention. Very loyal and protective.
Pedigree: Mainly Czech working lines but also some German working as well



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What I am looking for is a good healthy dog that I can trust as a family companion.


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No Hip certification, no sale for me. If the breeder doesn't care enough to ensure their stock is healthy enough to breed, then I would walk away.
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The first set might produce dogs that are more suited for high-level competition than as a family companion - this is where you talk, talk, talk to the breeder to find out what the goal of the breeding is, tell her exactly what your experience and expectations are, and decide if this breeding will produce a pup suitable to your needs.

The second pair would be an automatic no. No hip certs, no real breeding goals.

This is not a recommendation of the first breeder - I do not know the dogs, do not know what they produce, do not know the experience or goals of the breeder, do not know how they place puppies, etc. I would ask for a zillion references of as many people that have had pups from them, and contact their vet, and the local rescue and see what kind of feedback you can get.

In selecting a breeder, I would read through these articles to help you make an educated decision:

How to tell a good breeder website from a bad one | Ruffly Speaking

Choosing a Good Breeder - German Shepherd Rescue of Central Colorado

(German Shepherd Breeders, by Wildhaus Kennels)

And many more links and discussion found here:

Things to look for in a 'Responsible' Breeder
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another link worth sharing.... German Shepherd Guide - Home
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:25 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks guys. I appreciate the advice here. Both breeders are aware of what I'm looking for. The first breeder was actually recommended to my on this forum.

I've visited the first breeder with my 4 year old boy and the breeder was very open and even happy to introduce all of her dogs to us. None were overly aggressive, in fact the male GSD that will be the father kept herding my son to me if he strayed more that 10 ft from me. The dog would get to the side of my son and block him from going further and following as he came back to me.

I think I will definitely go with breeder 1.


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