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Rod84 01-15-2014 10:44 AM

tx breeder info?
 
Puppies-Available anyone have any experience with them? what do you gsd experts think about them?

LoveEcho 01-15-2014 11:13 AM

The first red flag for me is that most of the dogs do not have hip or elbow ratings. That doesn't mean that they weren't tested, but I would absolutely 100% get that information (and request to see proof from the OFA or Penn) before I'd proceed.

Breeding coaties tends to be frowned upon as well- they are breeding dogs outside of the standard with no thought behind the pairing... some of the pairings they've listed are pretty odd. Some of the bitches have really questionable conformation and poor pigmentation.

Most of the dogs are not titled- what the "grandparents" of the dog did is essentially meaningless. The ones that are titled are imports who were titled by others. Titling is not the be-all-end-all, but the dogs should at least be working in SOME sort of venue.

I would pass- for what they are charging, you can do much better. Look at the sticky "What to Look for in a Breeder."

Xeph 01-15-2014 03:16 PM

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Breeding coaties tends to be frowned upon as well
Not really. The SV now accepts them to be shown in a separate class, and it is a simple fault in AKC shows. Most of their dogs have decent conformation, and were imported from great kennels overseas. Some of those dogs, if purchased when they were older, may be "a" stamped instead of OFA'd

The only red flag for me is that they are crossing lines with no thought. I, personally, am an advocate for crossing the lines, but they seem to be doing it just to do it. There's no goal.

Overall, you certainly could do better

LoveEcho 01-15-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Xeph (Post 4839041)
Not really. The SV now accepts them to be shown in a separate class, and it is a simple fault in AKC shows. Most of their dogs have decent conformation, and were imported from great kennels overseas. Some of those dogs, if purchased when they were older, may be "a" stamped instead of OFA'd

The only red flag for me is that they are crossing lines with no thought. I, personally, am an advocate for crossing the lines, but they seem to be doing it just to do it. There's no goal.

Overall, you certainly could do better

I stand corrected on the coated- thank you!

I looked for stamps of any kind and couldn't find them on the majority on PDB, so that was what threw the flag for me. Doesn't mean they weren't done, but like I said, it's definitely something I would ask about. Most of the dogs do have nice conformation, but a couple of the bitches in particular stood out as less than stellar... which goes back to the point of "throwing dogs together just because."


Really random note... publishing the waiting list for each litter strikes me as odd- is that common practice?

Rod84 01-16-2014 12:11 AM

Thank you very much guys! much appreciated! btw Parton the ignorance but what is a coatie?

Chris Wild 01-16-2014 09:24 AM

"Coatie" = long stock coat. A much longer, more fluffy coat type than the normal, standard "stock coat".

Saphire 01-16-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Xeph (Post 4839041)
Not really. The SV now accepts them to be shown in a separate class, and it is a simple fault in AKC shows. Most of their dogs have decent conformation, and were imported from great kennels overseas. Some of those dogs, if purchased when they were older, may be "a" stamped instead of OFA'd

The only red flag for me is that they are crossing lines with no thought. I, personally, am an advocate for crossing the lines, but they seem to be doing it just to do it. There's no goal.

Overall, you certainly could do better

To me, having coaties show up in a litter vs. breeding FOR coaties is very different. Fact is it is still a fault so why would you intentionally breed against the standard?

Makobytes 01-16-2014 09:32 PM

There is a difference between a long stock coat, which is acceptable and a long coat which is not acceptable to the SV.
One thing I found interesting is their first GSD is only four years old and they already have ten breeding females.

MustLoveGSDs 01-16-2014 09:47 PM

I am in Houston. What kind of GSD are you looking for? American, European, Show line, Working line? What are your goals for the dog?

Xeph 01-16-2014 11:32 PM

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To me, having coaties show up in a litter vs. breeding FOR coaties is very different.
Well, considering if you go with SV style dogs, that's your only option, it's really not that different.

The SV says coats can only be bred to other coats.

And who says that just because you're breeding two coaties together you're breeding FOR coats? There are other considerations (with the good breeders), and the two animals just happen to be coated.


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