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Tango7 12-31-2013 01:03 AM

Wanted: Black & Red
 
I'm looking for a breeder of quality black and dark red GSD, (not black & red sable) with broad heads, 75 + lbs females and 100 + lbs males, NOT sloped!! (also no roach backs), ears that point directly up (not to the sides), family type dog personality's (not shy but also not overly aggressive), not too much scruff around the neck.
I've been able to find some gorgeous dogs that meet all my criteria, except the slope back (and that is definitely one thing I am not giving on). I've found that once you get into the no sloped working lines, they tend to look kind of sloppy, with scruffy necks and floppy ears (and I have been unable to find the deep red as well)!
If anyone has any breeder recommendations please let me know!

MrsFergione 12-31-2013 09:35 AM

It will probably be somewhat hard to find dogs that far out of regulation weight wise, and also not good for the dogs health.

Donovan514 12-31-2013 09:37 AM

Google big boned GSD breeders.

Donovan514 12-31-2013 09:39 AM

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martemchik 12-31-2013 09:40 AM

Are you looking at the dog in motion or just pictures of the dog stacked? If you're looking at a proper stack...the back will be sloped no matter what. If you see the dog stand regularly, or move, the back will tend to flatten out if its properly conforming.

Even my dog, a working line who can use more angulation in his rear end, has a sloping back when he's stacked. He also doesn't look sloppy and has a very strong ear set. Surprisingly I personally find that its more the larger show lines that have weaker ears as the actual ear tends to be bigger.

BriskaBoo13 12-31-2013 10:11 AM

Sounds like you are looking for a German working line. They tend to be less sloped and pretty dark pigment. However, they may or may not be the weight you are looking for. Weight really isn't what breeders breed for, height is. So you could end up with that weight. But any working line, which are the non sloped lines, are going to be more drive and if that is not trained properly and given a good outlet can lead to or appear like aggression. And Martemchik is right...even working lines can appear sloped if in a stack position. Not as dramatic as show line, but still sloped.

BriskaBoo13 12-31-2013 10:26 AM

I meant to say WEST German working line.:crazy:

Xeph 12-31-2013 10:29 AM

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But any working line, which are the non sloped lines
Sorry, this is a misnomer, and one that really bothers me.

A correctly angulated dog will have good bend of stifle and not be so stick straight in the rear that the top line doesn't change in stack.

OP, you kinda describe a WL structurally, but it terms of color, Black and Tan saddled dogs are hard to find in those lines. You can find blankets and bi colors, but saddles are difficult to come by

BriskaBoo13 12-31-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Xeph (Post 4748410)
Sorry, this is a misnomer, and one that really bothers me.

A correctly angulated dog will have good bend of stifle and not be so stick straight in the rear that the top line doesn't change in stack.

OP, you kinda describe a WL structurally, but it terms of color, Black and Tan saddled dogs are hard to find in those lines. You can find blankets and bi colors, but saddles are difficult to come by


Oh gosh, you are so right, I didn't really word that properly, cause shepherds are all sloped but in a stack working are less sloped in appearance. So for the OP I was thinking that would be what he was thinking about. You can stack any line and get a major slope but the top line tends to be straighter on a working line. And yes, not many saddle backs with the working lines but some pretty dark blacks with red highlights (legs, sometimes head, bi-color)

shepherdmom 12-31-2013 11:08 AM

Sounds like you are looking for this? I found her in rescue. Which is why she is missing her tail. But she is West German Show Lines.

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