Breeder with Fero free litter

northwoodsGSD · 03-20-2013, 02:51 PM

I'm just starting my search for a male pup from Fero free lines.
I am only interested in looking at pups from breeders that actually handle their own dogs, do health testing & training/titling of some type.
While it would be great to stay within the Great Lakes area, I am willing to check out breeders elsewhere.
Pup needs to have high drives, but still have a balanced temperament. I'm not looking for an edgy/civil dog, but a strong personality is fine.
My personal preference is for a slightly smaller, but still correct dog.
Color is not important.

I know there are responsible breeders with very nice dogs here, so figured this is a good place to start

Feel free to pm me if you'd prefer.

ETA: Just wanted to clarify that I don't think having Fero in a pedigree is a bad thing, but it's just not what I'm looking for at this time. Don't want to give anyone the wrong impression

holland · 03-20-2013, 03:31 PM

yes contact wolfstraum-she's really big into that fero free -

wolfstraum · 03-20-2013, 07:03 PM

No pups right now....but maybe by end of summer I am hoping!

I have two female lines....one has Fero, one does not....it is getting harder and harder to not backmass on Fero with my Ufo daughters line....and harder and harder to keep the other one Fero free.

I have two young males out being titled right now who are Fero and Mink free - one is in partnership with Leesa "G-burg" and is very very promising ....and the other is training for HGH....also two females from the same litter - Kira, with partner Meghan "phgsd" and the other with the co-owner of Hexe - the Ufo granddaughter who has Fero...

I also have another Ufo granddaughter who is Fero/Mink free, Bengal - who I will be breeding on her next heat....and a Xito granddaughter imported from Germany who should get titled this summer...Panther (Zibera v alten Wingertshaus)

Fero is so widespread, he is being backmassed in so many many pedigrees....so I think having access to dogs who are Fero free is a good thing - am NOT knocking him, but you have to know can come forward from him and what lines from him are better. The dogs I have with Fero always have him in fairly close combination with Xento Maineiche.

All these the young dogs are with friends - now partners - due to my severe car wreck last year...still cannot walk right...so cannot really train a dog - but did start them all, and did title their dams...

so far...all of these dogs are OFA Good and 'a' stamped - the youngsters are prelimed and x-rays being sent to Germany for 'a' stamp.

GSDElsa · 03-20-2013, 07:06 PM

What are you looking to do with the dog?

eddie1976E · 03-20-2013, 08:23 PM

How much fero, mink, crok is too much in a pedegree? For a novice (like me) how would I determine what littler to avoid or go with, given that these dogs are so prevalent.?

Thanks

wolfstraum · 03-20-2013, 08:29 PM

way too complex to answer easily...

Lee

northwoodsGSD · 03-20-2013, 08:54 PM

Lee,
I did think of you

but I wasn't sure if you were planning any litters yet. My thoughts on Fero follow along with yours.

I don't dislike him(Fero), but since he is so common in pedigrees I am choosing not to have him in my next pup.
While being Fero free is not the only determining factor I will base my decision on, it is one that I'm not willing to compromise on so an easy place to start looking.
Once I have a short list of possible breeders/litters, I can continue my selection based on the rest of my needs & wants.

I haven't completely ruled out importing my next pup if I can't find what I'm looking for here in the states.

x11 · 03-20-2013, 09:07 PM

what exactly is it that people want to avoid???

i know folks that would not have a dog that fero was not all over.

can someone share the secret other than he is in too many lines???

prolly a reason he is so well used?

Wild Wolf · 03-20-2013, 09:13 PM

I understand. I was very happy to find my male who is Fero / Troll free.

northwoodsGSD · 03-20-2013, 09:17 PM

X11,

You can do a search on the subject. Lots of info out there.

03-20-2013, 02:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
northwoodsGSD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: the great northwoods Posts: 359	Breeder with Fero free litter I'm just starting my search for a male pup from Fero free lines. I am only interested in looking at pups from breeders that actually handle their own dogs, do health testing & training/titling of some type. While it would be great to stay within the Great Lakes area, I am willing to check out breeders elsewhere. Pup needs to have high drives, but still have a balanced temperament. I'm not looking for an edgy/civil dog, but a strong personality is fine. My personal preference is for a slightly smaller, but still correct dog. Color is not important. I know there are responsible breeders with very nice dogs here, so figured this is a good place to start Feel free to pm me if you'd prefer. ETA: Just wanted to clarify that I don't think having Fero in a pedigree is a bad thing, but it's just not what I'm looking for at this time. Don't want to give anyone the wrong impression __________________ Ark von Ochs Stellt 5/29/09--10/30/12 "German Shepherd breeding is working dog breeding or it is not German Shepherd breeding." Max Von Stephanitz Last edited by northwoodsGSD; 03-20-2013 at 03:00 PM.

03-20-2013, 07:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,293	No pups right now....but maybe by end of summer I am hoping! I have two female lines....one has Fero, one does not....it is getting harder and harder to not backmass on Fero with my Ufo daughters line....and harder and harder to keep the other one Fero free. I have two young males out being titled right now who are Fero and Mink free - one is in partnership with Leesa "G-burg" and is very very promising ....and the other is training for HGH....also two females from the same litter - Kira, with partner Meghan "phgsd" and the other with the co-owner of Hexe - the Ufo granddaughter who has Fero... I also have another Ufo granddaughter who is Fero/Mink free, Bengal - who I will be breeding on her next heat....and a Xito granddaughter imported from Germany who should get titled this summer...Panther (Zibera v alten Wingertshaus) Fero is so widespread, he is being backmassed in so many many pedigrees....so I think having access to dogs who are Fero free is a good thing - am NOT knocking him, but you have to know can come forward from him and what lines from him are better. The dogs I have with Fero always have him in fairly close combination with Xento Maineiche. All these the young dogs are with friends - now partners - due to my severe car wreck last year...still cannot walk right...so cannot really train a dog - but did start them all, and did title their dams... so far...all of these dogs are OFA Good and 'a' stamped - the youngsters are prelimed and x-rays being sent to Germany for 'a' stamp. __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Ziberia BH ~ Danger Sch1 RH SAR ~ ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

03-20-2013, 07:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
GSDElsa Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Central, NY Posts: 4,069	What are you looking to do with the dog? __________________ J, mom to: - Elsa - "Da Pookins" - Medo - "The Beast From The East"

03-20-2013, 08:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,293	way too complex to answer easily... Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Ziberia BH ~ Danger Sch1 RH SAR ~ ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

03-20-2013, 08:54 PM	#7 (permalink)
northwoodsGSD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: the great northwoods Posts: 359	Lee, I did think of you but I wasn't sure if you were planning any litters yet. My thoughts on Fero follow along with yours. I don't dislike him(Fero), but since he is so common in pedigrees I am choosing not to have him in my next pup. While being Fero free is not the only determining factor I will base my decision on, it is one that I'm not willing to compromise on so an easy place to start looking. Once I have a short list of possible breeders/litters, I can continue my selection based on the rest of my needs & wants. I haven't completely ruled out importing my next pup if I can't find what I'm looking for here in the states. __________________ Ark von Ochs Stellt 5/29/09--10/30/12 "German Shepherd breeding is working dog breeding or it is not German Shepherd breeding." Max Von Stephanitz

03-20-2013, 03:31 PM	#2 (permalink)
holland Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 4,280	yes contact wolfstraum-she's really big into that fero free -

03-20-2013, 08:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
eddie1976E Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: CT Posts: 187	How much fero, mink, crok is too much in a pedegree? For a novice (like me) how would I determine what littler to avoid or go with, given that these dogs are so prevalent.? Thanks

03-20-2013, 09:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
x11 Banned Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,291	what exactly is it that people want to avoid??? i know folks that would not have a dog that fero was not all over. can someone share the secret other than he is in too many lines??? prolly a reason he is so well used?

03-20-2013, 09:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
Wild Wolf Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 1,968	I understand. I was very happy to find my male who is Fero / Troll free. __________________ ~ Angel SG S-Hunter vom Geistwasser CGN TT RATI (DM Clear) AIRPORT WILDLIFE & BIRD CONTROL K9 http://www.k9instinct.com

03-20-2013, 09:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
northwoodsGSD Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: the great northwoods Posts: 359	X11, You can do a search on the subject. Lots of info out there. __________________ Ark von Ochs Stellt 5/29/09--10/30/12 "German Shepherd breeding is working dog breeding or it is not German Shepherd breeding." Max Von Stephanitz

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