New puppy owner in need of answers.

raemandrea · 03-18-2013, 11:32 AM

Hello out their. I recently purchased a puppy from a Kennel/breeder in nh. Their name is **name removed by ADMIN**. When I went their to look at the puppy they told me that they were able to find him through another breeder in Indiana. I had previously asked if they had any german shepherd puppies available, and they then sent me a picture of my puppy, asking if I was interested. When I go there, they told me that they will often find puppies if they don't have any litters available.

This breeder's name is **Name removed by ADMIN**. While everything looked legit-papers/Health Certificate, AKC registration, etc, I kept wondering about things. AS I have never purchased a puppy from a breeder, I didn't think much of it at the time, as I had everything I thought I needed.

After doing research, I found that another person had purchased a puppy at a pet store, and we shared our dogs lineage. Apparently my puppy is related to his. While his puppy's parents ( my dogs father's parents) are not AKC registered, my puppy and his parents are. WE both assume that our puppies came from the same place, in Indiana, but from a puppy mill. Upon hearing this, it was puzzling as to how my dog and his parents are AKC registered, but his dog and his parents( the grandparents) weren't. I hope I am not confusing anyone.

I did contact the AKC upon filling out the application, as it was only one page, and I wasn't sure that it was legit. They had me fax it over, as they were confused, as well as I was if I had the correct information and application or not.. I then was sent an email that my puppy was registered with AKC, and I would be recieving his certificate in the mail. I looked up my puppies parents names on the AKC website, and they are registered under the names I was provided with.

coloradogsd1 · 03-18-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by raemandrea

WE both assume that our puppies came from the same place,.

Never assume anything!!!

What's your question? Why the grand parents are not AKC? Or?

Sounds like the breeder didn't care who bought a pup from them. A GOOD breeder will ask what your looking for in a pup and your life style and match a pup from evaluations and pick the pup for you. Not letting anyone just pick which one they want.

I hope your happy with your pup and have a long life with him.

raemandrea · 03-18-2013, 11:58 AM

My question is why grandparents aren't akc, but his parent's are.

I did send the breeder a picture of Samson, my german shepherd growing up as well as a list of his characteristics, and that I wanted a male puppy, etc.This was back in November. I then sent them an email a the end of february asking if they had german puppies available, and that is when they sent the picture of Sniff.

I know I never should have assumed, and have learned my lesson. I believe I was meant to have him, and am happy he is with us.

wildo · 03-18-2013, 12:08 PM

I can add some clarification here.

raemandrea has a puppy from the same breeding as Pimg. Their dog, Sniff, is a cousin to Pimg sharing Pimg's dam and sire.

Pimg's Sire: Graber's King of Montgomery
Pimg's Dam: K&K Molly

Sniff's Sire: Wagler Farm's Abe

Wagler Farm's Abe's Sire: Graber's King of Montgomery
Wagler Farm's Abe's Dam: K&K Molly

The question is if Graber's KoM and K&K Molly are not AKC registered, then how can Sniff come with an AKC registration? I assume that the shared dogs are not AKC registered because Pimg did not come with an AKC registration. If those two dogs are AKC registered, then why wouldn't Pimg have come with AKC registration...

So really- it's odd that these two dogs (Graber's and Molly) are producing all these puppy mill dogs, most of which are not AKC registered- but then somehow one of their grandchildren are AKC registered. How is that possible?

Wagler Farm's Abe( Graber's and K&K Molly's son) a

raemandrea · 03-18-2013, 12:14 PM

Thanks for the help! haha..Sniff's Dam: Sandy Anne

It is puzzling, and as a new owner I am curious.

wildo · 03-18-2013, 12:22 PM

Actually- raemandrea- do you have AKC registration numbers for Graber's KoM and K&K's Molly? Or even for Wagler Farm's Abe?

raemandrea · 03-18-2013, 12:30 PM

Yes, I do for Wagler Farm's Abe

dogfaeries · 03-18-2013, 12:34 PM

You can look this up at akc.org

Graber's King Of Montgomery
DN03652701

Sent from Petguide.com App

wildo · 03-18-2013, 12:40 PM

How do you look them up via AKC? I couldn't find a link to do that. [EDIT]- found the search thing.

**Cassidy's Mom** · 03-18-2013, 01:06 PM

The simple answer is that if Abe is legitimately AKC registered, then his parents, King and Molly are too. Willy, do you know for sure that they're NOT AKC registered? Could it be possible that they are, but the breeder never registered Pimg's litter? If the litter wasn't registered she wouldn't be registered either, even if both parents are. I know someone whose registration got held up for a long time because the breeder hadn't gotten around to registering the litter.

You should be able to get the AKC numbers for Pimg's parents from Sniff's pedigree.

03-18-2013, 11:32 AM	#1 (permalink)
raemandrea New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NH Posts: 10	New puppy owner in need of answers. Hello out their. I recently purchased a puppy from a Kennel/breeder in nh. Their name is name removed by ADMIN. When I went their to look at the puppy they told me that they were able to find him through another breeder in Indiana. I had previously asked if they had any german shepherd puppies available, and they then sent me a picture of my puppy, asking if I was interested. When I go there, they told me that they will often find puppies if they don't have any litters available. This breeder's name is Name removed by ADMIN. While everything looked legit-papers/Health Certificate, AKC registration, etc, I kept wondering about things. AS I have never purchased a puppy from a breeder, I didn't think much of it at the time, as I had everything I thought I needed. After doing research, I found that another person had purchased a puppy at a pet store, and we shared our dogs lineage. Apparently my puppy is related to his. While his puppy's parents ( my dogs father's parents) are not AKC registered, my puppy and his parents are. WE both assume that our puppies came from the same place, in Indiana, but from a puppy mill. Upon hearing this, it was puzzling as to how my dog and his parents are AKC registered, but his dog and his parents( the grandparents) weren't. I hope I am not confusing anyone. I did contact the AKC upon filling out the application, as it was only one page, and I wasn't sure that it was legit. They had me fax it over, as they were confused, as well as I was if I had the correct information and application or not.. I then was sent an email that my puppy was registered with AKC, and I would be recieving his certificate in the mail. I looked up my puppies parents names on the AKC website, and they are registered under the names I was provided with. Last edited by raemandrea; 03-18-2013 at 11:40 AM.

03-18-2013, 12:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,119	I can add some clarification here. raemandrea has a puppy from the same breeding as Pimg. Their dog, Sniff, is a cousin to Pimg sharing Pimg's dam and sire. Pimg's Sire: Graber's King of Montgomery Pimg's Dam: K&K Molly Sniff's Sire: Wagler Farm's Abe Wagler Farm's Abe's Sire: Graber's King of Montgomery Wagler Farm's Abe's Dam: K&K Molly The question is if Graber's KoM and K&K Molly are not AKC registered, then how can Sniff come with an AKC registration? I assume that the shared dogs are not AKC registered because Pimg did not come with an AKC registration. If those two dogs are AKC registered, then why wouldn't Pimg have come with AKC registration... So really- it's odd that these two dogs (Graber's and Molly) are producing all these puppy mill dogs, most of which are not AKC registered- but then somehow one of their grandchildren are AKC registered. How is that possible? Wagler Farm's Abe( Graber's and K&K Molly's son) a __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

03-18-2013, 12:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,119	Actually- raemandrea- do you have AKC registration numbers for Graber's KoM and K&K's Molly? Or even for Wagler Farm's Abe? __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training

03-18-2013, 12:34 PM	#8 (permalink)
dogfaeries Master Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Oklahoma City metro Posts: 991	New puppy owner in need of answers. You can look this up at akc.org Graber's King Of Montgomery DN03652701 Sent from Petguide.com App __________________ ~ Diane in Okla Carly - AKC CH, Herding Instinct Certificate Sage - Ch. pointed, Herding Instinct Certificate Russell - GSD puppy

03-18-2013, 12:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
wildo Crowned Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 5,119	How do you look them up via AKC? I couldn't find a link to do that. [EDIT]- found the search thing. __________________ Willy Pimg - DOB: 2/06, CL3, CL2, CL1, UJJ, HIT, CGC High Jinks vom Neuanfang - DOB 9/12 (Gotchya Day: 1/23/2013) agility superstar in training Last edited by wildo; 03-18-2013 at 12:49 PM.

03-18-2013, 11:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
raemandrea New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NH Posts: 10	My question is why grandparents aren't akc, but his parent's are. I did send the breeder a picture of Samson, my german shepherd growing up as well as a list of his characteristics, and that I wanted a male puppy, etc.This was back in November. I then sent them an email a the end of february asking if they had german puppies available, and that is when they sent the picture of Sniff. I know I never should have assumed, and have learned my lesson. I believe I was meant to have him, and am happy he is with us.

03-18-2013, 12:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
raemandrea New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NH Posts: 10	Thanks for the help! haha..Sniff's Dam: Sandy Anne It is puzzling, and as a new owner I am curious.

03-18-2013, 12:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
raemandrea New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: NH Posts: 10	Yes, I do for Wagler Farm's Abe

03-18-2013, 01:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
Cassidy's Mom No Stinkin' Leashes Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 27,414	The simple answer is that if Abe is legitimately AKC registered, then his parents, King and Molly are too. Willy, do you know for sure that they're NOT AKC registered? Could it be possible that they are, but the breeder never registered Pimg's litter? If the litter wasn't registered she wouldn't be registered either, even if both parents are. I know someone whose registration got held up for a long time because the breeder hadn't gotten around to registering the litter. You should be able to get the AKC numbers for Pimg's parents from Sniff's pedigree. __________________ -Debbie- Dena 9/12/04-10/4/08 Forever would have been too short Keefer 8/25/05 Halo 11/9/08 FDCh-G TF-III Cassidy 6/8/00-10/4/04

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