Choosing a breeder and which parents

wmsrm59 · 03-08-2013, 09:18 PM

So I have looked a lot online and around these forums and I am leaning towards one of these two litters:

Von der Haus Gill German Shepherds

Based on all of your way more informed knowledge which would you choose between these 2 litters and why ?

I was leaning more towards 100% DDR because I became fascinated by that lineage and have been reading about the traits of DDR and how they came about. But I also noticed that the mom in the 2nd litter seems to come from really great parents but is not DDR but I am still interested in her as well.

I would love any info you all have about Gill or Dago vom Weltwitz I have searched google and the forums but would love to have more information. If you would shy away from this breeder / and or combo would love to know why. If you would definitely get a puppy from these litters would also love to know why. I actually live in Ohio and plan to go visit and talk with gill but before I go would love to have some more info.

Jag · 03-08-2013, 10:45 PM

What are your plans for this pup and why did you choose this kennel?

wolfstraum · 03-08-2013, 11:14 PM

I have looked at Dago for breeding.....he is supposedly a very nice dog....Gill is a professional dog broker, this is a big business for him....do some reseach on the lines....this dog may produce very strong progeny.

I think whether this litter is suitable for you or not depends on your past experience with Shepherds, and if you are a compatible handler and have the ability to handle and train this type of dog.

Lee

wmsrm59 · 03-08-2013, 11:14 PM

Well I run 3 miles everyday I would like to have a dog I can run with, I have a huge fenced in yard and a gsd/husky mix atm and he needs a companion. I want a dog that can protect my house as I dont live in the best area. Id like a dog that is fiercely loyal and protective. I want a dog that is highly intelligent and intense, I want a companion, a dog that is good with my child. I want a GSD because I love the breed, I want a purebred, I love the look of DDR and the intensity of the lines interests me. Eventually I would love to get into competition still reading up on that.

wmsrm59 · 03-08-2013, 11:17 PM

What would you say the challenges are for this specific breed of dog? What ability would you say is needed? I ask out of curiosity because I am certainly no expert, my grandparents raised their 7 kids with GSD they had 5 or 6 of them and speak very highly of them. I got a gsd/husky because of this from a rescue, but now I want a very strong high quality shepherd that is pure and Gill is only an hour away from me and his price is reasonable.

wolfstraum · 03-08-2013, 11:18 PM

This line produces very very strong dogs. The DDR dogs are gorgeous, but it is hard to say that a dog bred for police work is going to be suitable for a companion home. DDR dogs are not typically the most successful dogs in sport training.

Chris Kemper may have a litter on the ground which is also heavily DDR - but of a different background temperament wise.

Lee

wmsrm59 · 03-09-2013, 12:35 PM

Can you point me in the direction of Chris Kemper does he have a website?

wmsrm59 · 03-09-2013, 12:41 PM

Blackthorn Working German Shepherds -- Available Pupppies ? What do you think wold be the difference in temperament and characteristics of her breeding vs gill ? Would love to hear more!

Jag · 03-09-2013, 12:45 PM

I think you'd be much happier with that litter.

wolfstraum · 03-09-2013, 01:40 PM

It is very hard to explain without being construed as being negative.... when it is not meant to be ...

One thing of note is that Christine's litter is from a male she bred, and he is from a pair she trained, titled and had all their lives. Any breeder who does this, has generations of their own breeding, will recognize and understand the character of the pups with a fuller knowledge of what is being expressed. Buying titled dogs, and breeding dogs kept in kennels who are bought for the specific purpose of breeding - IN GENERAL - does not give the breeder that advantage. When the litter is born in the house and raised and is the only litter a breeder has at the time....they will be very in tune with the pups and know which would suit you the best.....

I like Dago, I would use him on a certain type of female for certain types of buyers...but not necessarily novices to the breed who want a companion dog or a novice training dog.

Lee

03-08-2013, 09:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
wmsrm59 New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 9	Choosing a breeder and which parents So I have looked a lot online and around these forums and I am leaning towards one of these two litters: Von der Haus Gill German Shepherds Based on all of your way more informed knowledge which would you choose between these 2 litters and why ? I was leaning more towards 100% DDR because I became fascinated by that lineage and have been reading about the traits of DDR and how they came about. But I also noticed that the mom in the 2nd litter seems to come from really great parents but is not DDR but I am still interested in her as well. I would love any info you all have about Gill or Dago vom Weltwitz I have searched google and the forums but would love to have more information. If you would shy away from this breeder / and or combo would love to know why. If you would definitely get a puppy from these litters would also love to know why. I actually live in Ohio and plan to go visit and talk with gill but before I go would love to have some more info.

03-08-2013, 10:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jag Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,683	What are your plans for this pup and why did you choose this kennel? __________________ Wrath of Grim z Dragon "Mr. Grim"- Threaten my handler. I dare you.

03-08-2013, 11:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,189	I have looked at Dago for breeding.....he is supposedly a very nice dog....Gill is a professional dog broker, this is a big business for him....do some reseach on the lines....this dog may produce very strong progeny. I think whether this litter is suitable for you or not depends on your past experience with Shepherds, and if you are a compatible handler and have the ability to handle and train this type of dog. Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

03-08-2013, 11:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,189	This line produces very very strong dogs. The DDR dogs are gorgeous, but it is hard to say that a dog bred for police work is going to be suitable for a companion home. DDR dogs are not typically the most successful dogs in sport training. Chris Kemper may have a litter on the ground which is also heavily DDR - but of a different background temperament wise. Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

03-09-2013, 12:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jag Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,683	I think you'd be much happier with that litter. __________________ Wrath of Grim z Dragon "Mr. Grim"- Threaten my handler. I dare you.

03-08-2013, 11:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
wmsrm59 New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 9	Well I run 3 miles everyday I would like to have a dog I can run with, I have a huge fenced in yard and a gsd/husky mix atm and he needs a companion. I want a dog that can protect my house as I dont live in the best area. Id like a dog that is fiercely loyal and protective. I want a dog that is highly intelligent and intense, I want a companion, a dog that is good with my child. I want a GSD because I love the breed, I want a purebred, I love the look of DDR and the intensity of the lines interests me. Eventually I would love to get into competition still reading up on that.

03-08-2013, 11:17 PM	#5 (permalink)
wmsrm59 New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 9	What would you say the challenges are for this specific breed of dog? What ability would you say is needed? I ask out of curiosity because I am certainly no expert, my grandparents raised their 7 kids with GSD they had 5 or 6 of them and speak very highly of them. I got a gsd/husky because of this from a rescue, but now I want a very strong high quality shepherd that is pure and Gill is only an hour away from me and his price is reasonable.

03-09-2013, 12:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
wmsrm59 New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 9	Can you point me in the direction of Chris Kemper does he have a website?

03-09-2013, 12:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
wmsrm59 New Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 9	Blackthorn Working German Shepherds -- Available Pupppies ? What do you think wold be the difference in temperament and characteristics of her breeding vs gill ? Would love to hear more!

03-09-2013, 01:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,189	It is very hard to explain without being construed as being negative.... when it is not meant to be ... One thing of note is that Christine's litter is from a male she bred, and he is from a pair she trained, titled and had all their lives. Any breeder who does this, has generations of their own breeding, will recognize and understand the character of the pups with a fuller knowledge of what is being expressed. Buying titled dogs, and breeding dogs kept in kennels who are bought for the specific purpose of breeding - IN GENERAL - does not give the breeder that advantage. When the litter is born in the house and raised and is the only litter a breeder has at the time....they will be very in tune with the pups and know which would suit you the best..... I like Dago, I would use him on a certain type of female for certain types of buyers...but not necessarily novices to the breed who want a companion dog or a novice training dog. Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

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