Put deposit down on a GSD!!

[tucknroll]

I'm scouring the website but can't find any specific health testing or titling the breeder has done on his dogs. IMHO if you're going to breed dogs then it should be in the interest of furthering the breed, and saying "bred for health and temperament" is great and all but can be misleading to someone who's uneducated about the whole process. A reputable breeder should talk about specific health tests and show/working titles his sires & dams have earned.

[devinh]

Originally Posted by tucknroll

I'm scouring the website but can't find any specific health testing or titling the breeder has done on his dogs. IMHO if you're going to breed dogs then it should be in the interest of furthering the breed, and saying "bred for health and temperament" is great and all but can be misleading to someone who's uneducated about the whole process. A reputable breeder should talk about specific health tests and show/working titles his sires & dams have earned.

I think you are right, he says he will give me a written contract stating any health problems at all within the first 2 years he would pay for all costs in any vet visit or take the dog back and I can get a puppy from a current breeding.

[JakodaCD OA]

while I personally may not buy a dog from him, his dogs look nice and hey if YOU were impressed with him/his dogs, I'd do a little more research.

The thing I would mostly want to know is, are the male/female ofa'd certified hips and elbows? If not, why not?

Face it, there are many many people breeding for just pets, (and I don't mean 'just' in a negative way)..If you are looking for a companion dog, you like the temperament of the breeding pair, if they are healthy, have passed their health testing, well taken care of, then that should be the most important.

He does state he has a 'limited' health guarantee, don't know what that entails. I agree there is little real information on his site other than pics .

AKC reg'd is a dime a dozen, health and temperament are most important.

Now if he's breeding dogs that haven't been ofa'd, even tho it is not a guarantee you'd get a hd free puppy, I'd walk away. By doing so shows me he cares enough about his breeding dogs that he is willing to spend the money and get the dogs certified hips/elbows..

Only you can make the choice of what's right for yourself/family..just throwing out something to think about

[wolfstraum]

there is nothing about his breeding stock - no pedigrees, no health clearance, no NAMES even....just hundreds of cute photos....there is nothing on his website to indicate any attempt to breed to any standard, any attempt to match breeding pairs based on pedigree, ability, compensatory and complimentary characters....and in the testimonials, one of the first ones I read stated he sold 2 female pups to the same customer YIKES!!! So he is selling as a business regardless of what is considered good practices for the breed...

Salemanship (as in used cars!), cute photos = making a living as a commercial breeder...

Lee

[devinh]

Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

while I personally may not buy a dog from him, his dogs look nice and hey if YOU were impressed with him/his dogs, I'd do a little more research.

The thing I would mostly want to know is, are the male/female ofa'd certified hips and elbows? If not, why not?

Face it, there are many many people breeding for just pets, (and I don't mean 'just' in a negative way)..If you are looking for a companion dog, you like the temperament of the breeding pair, if they are healthy, have passed their health testing, well taken care of, then that should be the most important.

He does state he has a 'limited' health guarantee, don't know what that entails. I agree there is little real information on his site other than pics .

AKC reg'd is a dime a dozen, health and temperament are most important.

Now if he's breeding dogs that haven't been ofa'd, even tho it is not a guarantee you'd get a hd free puppy, I'd walk away. By doing so shows me he cares enough about his breeding dogs that he is willing to spend the money and get the dogs certified hips/elbows..

Only you can make the choice of what's right for yourself/family..just throwing out something to think about

You make GREAT points, and I appreciate your advise. Yes all his dogs are OFA tested, all of them have recieved "good" on elbows and hips.

[JakodaCD OA]

did you see the paperwork?

While I totally agree with what Lee posted, and again, me personally I probably wouldn't buy a dog from him however, if you think it's something you want to pursue go for it, only you can make that decision.

Ok I'll be tacky, whats he asking for his puppies?

Ask him if you could have a copy of the pedigree for the breeding your interested in, and post it, that may shed some more light on things as well

[devinh]

Originally Posted by JakodaCD OA

did you see the paperwork?

While I totally agree with what Lee posted, and again, me personally I probably wouldn't buy a dog from him however, if you think it's something you want to pursue go for it, only you can make that decision.

Ok I'll be tacky, whats he asking for his puppies?

Ask him if you could have a copy of the pedigree for the breeding your interested in, and post it, that may shed some more light on things as well

Yes i have seen all his paperwork, I have seen the pedigree on the male and female going back about 6 generations, He is going to mail me copies of all the paperwork.

[carmspack]

how are you picking the parents?

had a look at the site -- what to say , commercial operation written all over it -- very odd looking dogs , look like pet bred from American lines stock -- very peculiar heads on them -- hardly any dogs shown standing which would show conformation and no dogs shown with people or in dynamic action .

keep looking . my opinion

[Castlemaid]

Breeders can very safely offer to take the dog back if there are health issues, because face it, they know that you will be head-over-heel in love with that cute little irresistible furry bundle of puppy-breath, and won't be able to give him up after having him only a few short weeks or months.

[wolfstraum]

I can print out pedigrees by the hundreds and show them to anyone...I can buy certified AKC pedigrees on any dog I want to buy one for....AKC papers are like auto registrations...a $500,000 Ferrari has one just like the 20 year old junker the friends kid paid $1500 for .....nothing but a paper identifying age, ownership, make and model....

Did you see the OFA certificates? Do you remember the names of the dogs? Look on the OFA website and find them.... Orthopedic Foundation for Animals

All puppies are cute!!!! Friendly house dogs are nice....quality is not always dictated by price either....

Before anyone can make a judgement on the quality of these dogs, pedigrees, credentials and price need to be evaluated....on face value, commercial low quality breeder of no distinction...

Lee