Solid black face west german puppy

rlv6161 · 01-08-2013, 11:59 PM

Looking for a West German show line puppy with a solid black face.
I have seen several dogs with this coloring and I was wondering if anyone has puppies that have one of the parents with those markings

selzer · 01-09-2013, 12:12 AM

This is my girl:
SG1 Odessa von Aurelius

I think I got one of her face:

Is this what you are looking for? Or is there too much color there?

wolfstraum · 01-09-2013, 08:21 AM

SL pups are born mostly black, and the tan/red comes through as they grow....there is no way to guarantee that the face will remain black....I have seen a few with totally black faces, and their parents did not have that much black on their face...

this is a criteria no one can can even begin to guarantee.....it is really not predictable

Lee

Freestep · 01-09-2013, 10:44 AM

Most WGSL I see have less black on their faces than working lines, or even American show lines... some have a totally tan/red face with very little black except on the muzzle. I think it would be next to impossible to know which puppies will mature to have a blacker face, since they are born almost totally black and get lighter as they mature. But I would try to find a breeder whose dogs have blacker faces and heads, and don't suffer from color fading (some showline dogs only seem to have half a saddle).

I really like black faces too. A face that is totally black except for tan eyebrows and cheeks? Be still my heart!

**Liesje** · 01-09-2013, 11:19 AM

What Lee said. There are lots of them but impossible to predict unless you have a few generations. A solid black face can produce one that is not and vice versa.

Carriesue · 01-09-2013, 11:35 AM

What about and this is just me being curious... My pup is pretty dark(granted he is only four months so still a lot of time for his color to change), his dam is a solid black WL and sire is a traditional black and red WGSL(although if OP only wants a SL then this wouldn't be an option)... Is there more chance to produce a darker dog or one with a mask or still just one of those things too hard to predict? Asking on the OP's part, not trying to hijack! I would love if mine kept his mask but won't be the end of the world if he doesn't.

Untitled (2013-01-07 02:27:14) by snowypony, on Flickr

GsdLoverr729 · 01-09-2013, 12:05 PM

Carrie, I think it's still just a flip of the coin thing. I know that Gatordog has a WL/WGSL cross and he has little black on his face (though if I may say so myself, he's quite a hunk).

Carriesue · 01-09-2013, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GsdLoverr729

Carrie, I think it's still just a flip of the coin thing. I know that Gatordog has a WL/WGSL cross and he has little black on his face (though if I may say so myself, he's quite a hunk).

He is a hunk! But I don't think either his sire or dam was an all black dog. I know there are a couple here with similar mixes like mine(Stark for one, can't remember the others name) and they both have masks... Again just something I'm curious about.

GsdLoverr729 · 01-09-2013, 12:41 PM

I dunno. My girl's grand-dam on sire's side was solid black. Grand sire was black/tan. Her father had the same mask as she does.

rlv6161 · 01-09-2013, 12:51 PM

very cute. It really depends on the parents

01-08-2013, 11:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
rlv6161 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 26	Solid black face west german puppy Looking for a West German show line puppy with a solid black face. I have seen several dogs with this coloring and I was wondering if anyone has puppies that have one of the parents with those markings

01-09-2013, 12:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
selzer Crowned Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Denmark, Ohio Posts: 20,858	This is my girl: SG1 Odessa von Aurelius I think I got one of her face: Is this what you are looking for? Or is there too much color there? __________________ RIP Arwen, CD RN CGC RIP Whitney, RN CGC Jenna, RN CGC & Babs, CD RA CGC HIC (not AKC) Heidi, RA CGC & Tori, RN CGC SG3 Odessa, SchH1, Kkl1, AD Ninja, RN CGC & Milla, RN CGC Joy, Star Puppy, RN CGC Dolly CGC & Bear Gretta Hepzibah

01-09-2013, 08:21 AM	#3 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 8,214	SL pups are born mostly black, and the tan/red comes through as they grow....there is no way to guarantee that the face will remain black....I have seen a few with totally black faces, and their parents did not have that much black on their face... this is a criteria no one can can even begin to guarantee.....it is really not predictable Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Komet, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB~ Kougar Sch3, Kyra Sch3, Cito Sch2, Alice Sch1, Kelsey CD, Ret ~ Basha Sch3, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

01-09-2013, 11:19 AM	#5 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,278	What Lee said. There are lots of them but impossible to predict unless you have a few generations. A solid black face can produce one that is not and vice versa. __________________ Liesje & the K9s Nikon (GSD) U-CH SG Alta-Tollhaus Bono SchH1 KKL T1 FO PA TF-III FDCh-S CL1-R UJJ U-CA HIT TT CGC Coke (All-American) VPC's Coca-Cola CGC, couch warmer extraordinaire Indy (All-American) Blue Horizon's Indigo Girl, flyball star in training Rainbow Bridge Kenya (GSD) U-CH Alta-Tollhaus-Krieger Lamb Chop CL1-R CL1-F RA HIT TDI TT CGC vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

01-09-2013, 11:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
Carriesue Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 1,243	What about and this is just me being curious... My pup is pretty dark(granted he is only four months so still a lot of time for his color to change), his dam is a solid black WL and sire is a traditional black and red WGSL(although if OP only wants a SL then this wouldn't be an option)... Is there more chance to produce a darker dog or one with a mask or still just one of those things too hard to predict? Asking on the OP's part, not trying to hijack! I would love if mine kept his mask but won't be the end of the world if he doesn't. Untitled (2013-01-07 02:27:14) by snowypony, on Flickr __________________ ~Ollie vom Grunenfeld HIC(8/29/2012)WGSL/WGWL/DDR cross - herding dog in training! Last edited by Carriesue; 01-09-2013 at 11:40 AM.

01-09-2013, 10:44 AM	#4 (permalink)
Freestep Crowned Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Northern California Posts: 5,158	Most WGSL I see have less black on their faces than working lines, or even American show lines... some have a totally tan/red face with very little black except on the muzzle. I think it would be next to impossible to know which puppies will mature to have a blacker face, since they are born almost totally black and get lighter as they mature. But I would try to find a breeder whose dogs have blacker faces and heads, and don't suffer from color fading (some showline dogs only seem to have half a saddle). I really like black faces too. A face that is totally black except for tan eyebrows and cheeks? Be still my heart!

01-09-2013, 12:05 PM	#7 (permalink)
GsdLoverr729 Knighted Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Ga, USA Posts: 3,179	Carrie, I think it's still just a flip of the coin thing. I know that Gatordog has a WL/WGSL cross and he has little black on his face (though if I may say so myself, he's quite a hunk). __________________ Kymmey http://KaohzandKumatz.yolasite.com Mom To~ Dakoda (b/t GSD), Simi (b/w DSH), Nashoba (sable GSD)

01-09-2013, 12:41 PM	#9 (permalink)
GsdLoverr729 Knighted Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Ga, USA Posts: 3,179	I dunno. My girl's grand-dam on sire's side was solid black. Grand sire was black/tan. Her father had the same mask as she does. __________________ Kymmey http://KaohzandKumatz.yolasite.com Mom To~ Dakoda (b/t GSD), Simi (b/w DSH), Nashoba (sable GSD)

01-09-2013, 12:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
rlv6161 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 26	very cute. It really depends on the parents

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