Thought on this German breeder and litter

[Mrs.K]

If I ever went with Czech Blood, I'd go with Aritar Bastet. I've seen several dogs out of that kennel and every single one of them was exceptional.

[cliffson1]

Jawa from what Zbynek tells me is superior to her mother Zendy...and Zendy produced my heart dog, even though I am like the tin man in Wizard of Oz when it comes to hearts.....good luck. Btw, the best female I have had in past 20 years came from Dari....picked by her specifically for me. A Hagi Barnero daughter....have fun with your new addition!

[wolfstraum]

again, you can't pick a top working prospect on color....go look at the results of National and WUSV -very few top dogs are dark sables....only one dog at the Nationals this year was even near a true black sable (Gordon Fuchsgraben- find his WDC protection video from 2012)

And even fewer are Czech bred....now and then - yes.....

You say you "like" certain lines??? WHY? What makes you like them??? Because you have seen/worked with/spent time with dogs from the pedigrees??? Or because they are in pedigrees?

Go look at the dog who won the Nationals this year.....find his pedigree online....he is light sable, one testicle, and had absolutely clean secondary obedience in protection and a very high obedience score. Winning is not always going to be the result of the best dog.....the most powerful dogs in the trial were not the winner - Chuck, Max, Irmus.....but with a dog with power, control is harder, and points are easier to loose....you want that potential....and you want to dictate the color of the pup too??? And all types of guarantees?? As a first timer - what the dog does depends more on you and your ability and your dedication more than the dogs quality...

<<<shaking head>>>> Tom - Yoshey - Mink.....LOL LOL There are litters here in the US - friend owns one whelped last week - same combo....National/World dog sire....V rated, IPO3, KKL1 OFA Good/Normal dam....lots of World dogs and World producers in pedigree. National competitor taking pupppy, black and dark sable pups, but not enough males to go around.

No one can guarantee the adult color of an 8 week old pup for absolute certain....I have a near black sable female - everyone else will call her black sable.....in 2 litters only 1 pup in each is nearly as dark...and only one of those two did I suspect of being that dark as a pup.....the other I was surprised about....

My point being, you can get just as good here - Drago Patriot here....friend is breeding a female next week....will be line breeding on Exe Smeidgarten.....with his dark color and hers, and her sire being black, should have nice rich sables...

If you are going Czech, Stribene Kemehno is a top top kennel with several dogs competing at high levels as well...

Lee

[GSDElsa]

If you do decide to import a dog, another recommendation for Aritar Bastet from me. You can PM me any questions you might have.

[gEEksWag03]

Originally Posted by cliffson1

Jawa from what Zbynek tells me is superior to her mother Zendy...and Zendy produced my heart dog, even though I am like the tin man in Wizard of Oz when it comes to hearts.....good luck. Btw, the best female I have had in past 20 years came from Dari....picked by her specifically for me. A Hagi Barnero daughter....have fun with your new addition!

LOL........yes, everytime i speak with Dari she impresses me more and more with her knowledge and passion. Fuxie x Hank seems to me like a great breeding and it's repeat so I can look at these progey and i'm in love with one of them called Athos.

Zbynek just seems to have a great breeding with the Tom Son and Sid daughter. That's what is getting me but the time they evaluate I will pick and make the past decision for me.

Thank you Cliff for all your advice and help and contact, i truly appreciate it.

[CelticGlory]

I'm not sure if anyone has mention Hans from Alpine K9? He has dogs he imports and knows the lines. I like his dogs, if I ever went with Czech/DDR lines he is one I would go with. Eurosport is another I really like the dogs, to play it safe I would go with a person who imports to help getting a dog from overseas. Some don't mind helping and working with a person to get a dog from overseas.

[gEEksWag03]

Originally Posted by wolfstraum

again, you can't pick a top working prospect on color....go look at the results of National and WUSV -very few top dogs are dark sables....only one dog at the Nationals this year was even near a true black sable (Gordon Fuchsgraben- find his WDC protection video from 2012)

And even fewer are Czech bred....now and then - yes.....

You say you "like" certain lines??? WHY? What makes you like them??? Because you have seen/worked with/spent time with dogs from the pedigrees??? Or because they are in pedigrees?

Go look at the dog who won the Nationals this year.....find his pedigree online....he is light sable, one testicle, and had absolutely clean secondary obedience in protection and a very high obedience score. Winning is not always going to be the result of the best dog.....the most powerful dogs in the trial were not the winner - Chuck, Max, Irmus.....but with a dog with power, control is harder, and points are easier to loose....you want that potential....and you want to dictate the color of the pup too??? And all types of guarantees?? As a first timer - what the dog does depends more on you and your ability and your dedication more than the dogs quality...

<<<shaking head>>>> Tom - Yoshey - Mink.....LOL LOL There are litters here in the US - friend owns one whelped last week - same combo....National/World dog sire....V rated, IPO3, KKL1 OFA Good/Normal dam....lots of World dogs and World producers in pedigree. National competitor taking pupppy, black and dark sable pups, but not enough males to go around.

No one can guarantee the adult color of an 8 week old pup for absolute certain....I have a near black sable female - everyone else will call her black sable.....in 2 litters only 1 pup in each is nearly as dark...and only one of those two did I suspect of being that dark as a pup.....the other I was surprised about....

My point being, you can get just as good here - Drago Patriot here....friend is breeding a female next week....will be line breeding on Exe Smeidgarten.....with his dark color and hers, and her sire being black, should have nice rich sables...

If you are going Czech, Stribene Kemehno is a top top kennel with several dogs competing at high levels as well...

Lee

I am very confused about your color statement since I didn't mention it but to say that color was no longer an issue for me as I have grown to appreciate more ability over it. I was never looking for dark sable in the first place but black.

I like the dogs i listed because of the work I have seen them do. Obviously not in person, not everyone is able to travel all over to look at dogs. But from videos and speaking with many different people, I like what i see and hear. Also what i've read, all this goes into my decision.

You seem to not have read my last post and so what I am a first-timer in ScH, is this supposed to mean i am not as good as someone else? How do you know my handling skills or intuitiveness?? Also, if you read, i also said i "COLOR DOESN'T MATTER" so maybe you should re-read my post. And since you point out one dog, I will as well, Hank vom Weinbergblick a Vito son, Tom Grandson so not sure your point??? As far as Chuck, Max and Irmus, the only one i like is Chuck and i reached out to Dan but Chuck will not be bred til late this year, so should i wait, no. Furious just had a litter but it wasn't with Chuck so I needed to move forward and find something I like that is available.

I am also glad you have a friend that had a litter but sadly since I don't have as many contacts as you all I can do is search on the internet and via recommendations, so this is what I have done. And Dari and the Fuxie x Hank litter is here in the US.

Drago is a great dog also but these are your friends, not mine. I can't know of every single breeding taking place. I have looked into Drago and the one i liked, the pregnancy didn't take.

I think this site is to help people and educate people, not be also condescending. Just because you have tons of contacts and experience, that's all great but I do not in Dog Sport. But thank you for your assessment I need help finding quality litters.

[GSDElsa]

Even though I did it, I don't recommend to people to import just because it's a lot easier just to get a dog in the US. However, if someone wants to do it I don't really understand what the big deal is.

The OP seems to be doing their research and talking to as many people as possible about upcoming litters. Lots of people have a color preference, especially when new, and it sounds like the OP is on the right evolution for realizing that isn't the end all be all. Also interesting that certain people who definitely do have a color preference are ripping the OP for originally having one himself, but anyhoo.

[wolfstraum]

I just pulled this thread back up.....

When I mention that a friend had a litter - it means if you want info, PM me and I will pass it on....I was not trying to push the litter in general...

Sometimes, when someone does post, they have not read all the posts in a many paged thread - so sorry - I DID miss where you stated color was not as important now....

And yes - it does help to know what a person has seen that gives him a reason to like certain dogs!!! Then someone who knows what they are basing their preferences - on seeing work, on statistics of placements....it was not meant to be anything but a question that gives others more understanding of what you are trying to get....

I personally like Chuck alot....I have had him on a leash and worked him in obedience....I have hung out with him....so I *know* him more than the dogs that I have seen trial - he was bred to a 3/4 sister to one of my females and I really like what was produced....so that is a breeding I am planning right now, just waiting for the female to come into heat....there will be sables and bi/blankets in that litter as Chuck's recessive is black and tan (see Falk v d Wolfen for probably adult color) and Hexe and Furi both carry black as a recessive....

Sorry it took so long for me to see this....stuff pops up and disappears quickly off the 'active topics' page...

Lee