Reliable Breeder from Germany

Richiegs · 11-25-2011, 07:54 AM

I am considering to buy a working line GS puppy from Germany. Can anyone recommend me a reliable breeder in Germany? My color preference is either black & tan or sable. I used to have a show line GS from a judge in N.J. The dog was loyal, friendly, smart etc. Nevertheless, he was timid, had digestive problem and hip problem. After reading a lot of threads in this forum, I agree that these problems are caused by show line breeders in the U.S. Thanks

wolfstraum · 11-25-2011, 12:40 PM

same problems from Germany in SL - so don't fool your self...

You can get a decent WL pup here!!! Without personal contacts in Germany or being a known home that the dog will get exposure - you take risks getting a pup from Germany - many breeders will send the puppy they deem "least likely suceed" to a foreign country.

Are you looking for a companion puppy or do you plan on some sport activity with the puppy....

Lee

**MaggieRoseLee** · 11-25-2011, 05:04 PM

I agree with Lee, you can find good dogs here too, and you have the advantage of seeing the breeder and their dogs.

There are a bunch of good breeders on this site, so you can click on their webpages and contact them for recommendations to help.

Richiegs · 11-25-2011, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by wolfstraum

same problems from Germany in SL - so don't fool your self...

You can get a decent WL pup here!!! Without personal contacts in Germany or being a known home that the dog will get exposure - you take risks getting a pup from Germany - many breeders will send the puppy they deem "least likely suceed" to a foreign country.

Are you looking for a companion puppy or do you plan on some sport activity with the puppy....

Lee

I know I am taking a risk importing a GS from Germany, but it seems WLGS there are better bred and better trained than those in the U.S. after watching some videos on the Internet. I am looking for a companion puppy, but I will train him basic commands. My previous SLGS was very loyal, but he was timid & developed hip problem at young age. That is why I want a healthy puppy physically and mentally. I read from this forum that the price of the puppy plus shipping charge is about the same as what I would pay to a U.S. breeder.

wolfstraum · 11-25-2011, 10:12 PM

I brought over a pup in June - specifically because she was a of Xito Maineiche and I wanted another source to him that was Mink and Fero free...it is more expensive to get a pup from Germany when you add it all up...

Poor temperament is not limited to dogs born in the US...it is a by product of prioritizing for structure/color or what ever quality a breeding program - IMO - buying a companion pup from a random WL breeder in Europe is asking them to send you the last pick in their litter. The most confident, most stable pups in the litters will stay in the breeders circle of friends and club members.

Also, pups are bred for extreme drives in many kennels, just as showlines are bred for red color - other characteristics suffer...you really have a better shot of a stable solid companion puppy here in the US

Lee

robk · 11-25-2011, 10:16 PM

It doesn't sound like you need an extremely high drive dog. There are many breeders here that actually import breeding dogs from overseas from the same lines you will get in Germany. However, here you can develop a relationship with an excellent breeder who will be able to pick out a pup that is a perfect fit for you and your needs. You will also be able to go back to that breeder for advice and guidance in the future. This kind of partnership would be hard to develop with someone overseas. German Shepherds are complex dogs.

Richiegs · 11-25-2011, 10:47 PM

wolfstraum, you GSD looks very nice. I want similar GS ***** .Where did you get it from?

Richiegs · 11-25-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by robk

It doesn't sound like you need an extremely high drive dog. There are many breeders here that actually import breeding dogs from overseas from the same lines you will get in Germany. However, here you can develop a relationship with an excellent breeder who will be able to pick out a pup that is a perfect fit for you and your needs. You will also be able to go back to that breeder for advice and guidance in the future. This kind of partnership would be hard to develop with someone overseas. German Shepherds are complex dogs.

I understand what you said. I just think German breeders breed better GS than those in the U.S. because of their experience. I am not looking for an extremely high drive, but high drive though GS puppy. I used to take my GSD at 6 a.m. every morning to exercise/play for an hour.
What is the price range of a WLGS puppy if I get it from a reputable U.S. breeder?

BR870 · 11-25-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Richiegs

I understand what you said. I just think German breeders breed better GS than those in the U.S. because of their experience. I am not looking for an extremely high drive, but high drive though GS puppy. I used to take my GSD at 6 a.m. every morning to exercise/play for an hour.
What is the price range of a WLGS puppy if I get it from a reputable U.S. breeder?

$1000 and up...

I don't think its very fair to condemn all US breeders just because you had one dog with issues. PLENTY of dogs from Germany and elsewhere in Europe have issues too...

You can find healthy stable working line GSDs from a breeder here in the US. Most working line dogs here in US have alot (if not all) of imported blood

Richiegs · 11-25-2011, 11:12 PM

"I brought over a pup in June - specifically because she was a of Xito Maineiche and I wanted another source to him that was Mink and Fero free...it is more expensive to get a pup from Germany when you add it all up..."

Q) How much money did you end up paying to bring a GS puppy from Germany into U.S.?

"Poor temperament is not limited to dogs born in the US...it is a by product of prioritizing for structure/color or what ever quality a breeding program - IMO - buying a companion pup from a random WL breeder in Europe is asking them to send you the last pick in their litter. The most confident, most stable pups in the litters will stay in the breeders circle of friends and club members."

Q) I understand. I thought GS dogs with poor temperament are excluded and not used for breeding. Where does poor temperament from a puppy come from?

"Also, pups are bred for extreme drives in many kennels, just as showlines are bred for red color - other characteristics suffer...you really have a better shot of a stable solid companion puppy here in the US"

Q) Do you mean a WLGS in the U.S. instead of SLGS?

11-25-2011, 07:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
Richiegs Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 47	Reliable Breeder from Germany I am considering to buy a working line GS puppy from Germany. Can anyone recommend me a reliable breeder in Germany? My color preference is either black & tan or sable. I used to have a show line GS from a judge in N.J. The dog was loyal, friendly, smart etc. Nevertheless, he was timid, had digestive problem and hip problem. After reading a lot of threads in this forum, I agree that these problems are caused by show line breeders in the U.S. Thanks

11-25-2011, 12:40 PM	#2 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,088	same problems from Germany in SL - so don't fool your self... You can get a decent WL pup here!!! Without personal contacts in Germany or being a known home that the dog will get exposure - you take risks getting a pup from Germany - many breeders will send the puppy they deem "least likely suceed" to a foreign country. Are you looking for a companion puppy or do you plan on some sport activity with the puppy.... Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

11-25-2011, 05:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
MaggieRoseLee The Agility Rocks! Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Bushkill, PA (The Poconos!) Posts: 22,205	I agree with Lee, you can find good dogs here too, and you have the advantage of seeing the breeder and their dogs. There are a bunch of good breeders on this site, so you can click on their webpages and contact them for recommendations to help. __________________ MACH2 Bretta Lee Wildhaus CGC TC TQX Glory B Wildhaus NA, NJ, NF + LOL (still) "*Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much." - Oscar Wilde*

11-25-2011, 10:12 PM	#5 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,088	I brought over a pup in June - specifically because she was a of Xito Maineiche and I wanted another source to him that was Mink and Fero free...it is more expensive to get a pup from Germany when you add it all up... Poor temperament is not limited to dogs born in the US...it is a by product of prioritizing for structure/color or what ever quality a breeding program - IMO - buying a companion pup from a random WL breeder in Europe is asking them to send you the last pick in their litter. The most confident, most stable pups in the litters will stay in the breeders circle of friends and club members. Also, pups are bred for extreme drives in many kennels, just as showlines are bred for red color - other characteristics suffer...you really have a better shot of a stable solid companion puppy here in the US Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

11-25-2011, 10:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
robk Master Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Fayetteville, NC Posts: 571	It doesn't sound like you need an extremely high drive dog. There are many breeders here that actually import breeding dogs from overseas from the same lines you will get in Germany. However, here you can develop a relationship with an excellent breeder who will be able to pick out a pup that is a perfect fit for you and your needs. You will also be able to go back to that breeder for advice and guidance in the future. This kind of partnership would be hard to develop with someone overseas. German Shepherds are complex dogs.

11-25-2011, 10:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Richiegs Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 47	wolfstraum, you GSD looks very nice. I want similar GS ***** .Where did you get it from?

11-25-2011, 11:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
Richiegs Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 47	"I brought over a pup in June - specifically because she was a of Xito Maineiche and I wanted another source to him that was Mink and Fero free...it is more expensive to get a pup from Germany when you add it all up..." Q) How much money did you end up paying to bring a GS puppy from Germany into U.S.? "Poor temperament is not limited to dogs born in the US...it is a by product of prioritizing for structure/color or what ever quality a breeding program - IMO - buying a companion pup from a random WL breeder in Europe is asking them to send you the last pick in their litter. The most confident, most stable pups in the litters will stay in the breeders circle of friends and club members." Q) I understand. I thought GS dogs with poor temperament are excluded and not used for breeding. Where does poor temperament from a puppy come from? "Also, pups are bred for extreme drives in many kennels, just as showlines are bred for red color - other characteristics suffer...you really have a better shot of a stable solid companion puppy here in the US" Q) Do you mean a WLGS in the U.S. instead of SLGS?

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