Does anyone know this breeder?

[Freestep]

I have a friend looking for a GSD pup, and she's thinking of getting a pup here:

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It's a different litter from the one listed on the site. Apparently, the breeder took back one of her dogs from a buyer, who was in heat and accidentally bred by one of her males, so they have an "oops" litter.

Does anyone know this breeder? It appears she has top showline dogs. PM me with any info if you don't feel comfortable posting it here. Thanks!

[MaggieRoseLee]

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[Castlemaid]

Never heard of them, but their puppies sure are cute!

[holland]

Like their water pic-the one of the dog and the little boy in the boat is cute

[selzer]

Don't know the breeder.

1. It is good that she took back the puppy.

2. It is completely unacceptable for a breeder to not realize a bitch puppy might be in heat and give full, unsupervised access to an intact male, sorry.

If the bitch-pup came back to her in heat, how does she even know that her male was the ONLY sire to the litter. Litters can have two pops.

I would probably tell my friend to either pass on this, but the puppies do need good homes. It is not their fault, their humans failed them.

I think her explanation for breeding a too young bitch stinks, and I wonder what she is going to charge for the oops litter. I do not know if one should reward irresponsibility by paying more than the going rate for pups who are bred by people who throw dogs together indiscriminately, fail to do health screenings, do not work with their dogs or achieve anything with them. The pups need homes, $200 - $400 should cover the costs of the litter and then some. If they are charging more than that, well I would question whether this was indeed an oops.

[Freestep]

Originally Posted by selzer

Don't know the breeder.

1. It is good that she took back the puppy.

2. It is completely unacceptable for a breeder to not realize a bitch puppy might be in heat and give full, unsupervised access to an intact male, sorry.

The story I heard was that the bitch climbed out of her kennel. I am not sure of the particulars.

I think her explanation for breeding a too young bitch stinks, and I wonder what she is going to charge for the oops litter. I do not know if one should reward irresponsibility by paying more than the going rate for pups who are bred by people who throw dogs together indiscriminately, fail to do health screenings, do not work with their dogs or achieve anything with them. The pups need homes, $200 - $400 should cover the costs of the litter and then some. If they are charging more than that, well I would question whether this was indeed an oops.

I think she was asking $500.

Oops litters happen, even to the best breeders. My Luka is a product of an oops breeding, which on paper was a very nice breeding, but the sire was only 14 months old and didn't have an OFA number yet. He had climbed a tree to get to the female. That litter contained some superb animals, multi-titled and working dogs, who went on to produce many excellent multi-titled and working dogs themselves. Sometimes it's a happy accident.

In any case, I am withholding judgment. My friend who is looking at the litter wants a companion dog and it will be spayed/neutered, so she's going to visit the breeder and see what she thinks. As long as the pedigree and the dogs in question are of good health and temperament, and the conditions the dogs are kept in are good, she will probably go for it--she's talked to the breeder on the phone and seems to like her. However, I know that anyone can make themselves look good via a website and a phone conversation--the breeder offered to meet my friend halfway (4 hour drive) but I told her NO WAY--you HAVE to go to the breeder's place!

So, we will see.

[DunRingill]

Originally Posted by Freestep

Oops litters happen, even to the best breeders.

Yup, they sure do! My best friend ended up with a VERY unplanned litter of belgian sheepdogs....she had very young grandchildren visiting at the time and, well, someone opened a door and, OOPS!

My Luka is a product of an oops breeding, which on paper was a very nice breeding, but the sire was only 14 months old and didn't have an OFA number yet. He had climbed a tree to get to the female. That litter contained some superb animals, multi-titled and working dogs, who went on to produce many excellent multi-titled and working dogs themselves. Sometimes it's a happy accident.

Yup! Bunny's grandmother is one of those "L" pups. Lots of highly accomplished dogs and excellent companions came from that accident.

p.s. Living with The Bunny, I watch her like a hawk because she's a little hussy and I can just picture HER climbing a fence to get to a male!!

[holland]

Really not being judgemental ...Rorie hasn't met a male she'd climb a fence for

[Freestep]

Originally Posted by DunRingill

Yup! Bunny's grandmother is one of those "L" pups. Lots of highly accomplished dogs and excellent companions came from that accident.

Yes, and my Vinca is a Lark granddaughter as well. I have to say, I'm so happy with my dogs, I'm glad that accident happened.

[onyx'girl]

I don't read where the female is young. Where is that posted?

I know of a person who had two oops litters from the same sire. She was out of town and both her females were in heat(one just coming into). Her son let their young male out and he accessed both females. So she had two oopsies on the ground at once, and the male was only 14 months old. She isn't even a breeder, just had all intact dogs and a son that was sick of hearing the male whine so let him out. Then he never told anyone he did this, it was too late to have the mismatch shot when she finally found out.
She learned her lesson.
Odd, isn' it, how good breeders have to travel far and wide to breed, hoping it takes, and an oops occurs so easily...