Breeder search! :)

WildDog · 05-16-2011, 08:13 PM

Hi there!

I am currently in the process of searching for breeders in my local(ish) area, and came across this website.
They seem to have some beautiful dogs, but would really like some opinions from the experienced GSD forumers!

Any glaring red flags you can see? Respectable? Does anyone know them or have purchased a dog from them?

Home - Macklin Shepherds

Thanks in advance!
Siobhan

Emoore · 05-16-2011, 08:19 PM

Everything I say here is going strictly off their website. I have no personal experience with this breeder.

The good: Their breeding animals have hip and elbow certifications.

The bad: I worry when a breeder says, "We specialize in black long-coats," because black and long coat are both recessive traits. I worry that they might be limiting their gene pool in actively selecting for two recessive traits, rather than actively selecting for, say, temperament and working ability.

I also cringe when breeders describe their GSDs as being calm and placid. German Shepherds are not supposed to be "calm and placid."

It worries me that they make generalizations about temperament based on color and coat length: "Long haired dogs tend to be calmer, black dogs tend to have wonderful loving temperaments and want to be with people, etc." Temperament and color/coat length are unrelated.

WildDog · 05-16-2011, 11:10 PM

Thanks for your reply, it really helps to get a second opinion.

What I initually liked about this breeder was that other than specialising in longcoats, they breed the traditional square backed working shepherd, rather than this horrible, roach-backed obsession going around.

I love the solid blacks, and especially adore longcoats, my parents were breeders and we retained a longhair from a litter, and she was the most adoring, loving girl I've ever owned.

Probably nothing to do with her coat, but she had this sweet, soft face that used to send me to jelly, haha.

Thanks again for your opinion, I appreciate it.
Is there anyone else who has had dealings with them? Or can tell me what they think based on their website? I really would love as many opnions as possible.

Emoore · 05-16-2011, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildDog

Thanks for your reply, it really helps to get a second opinion.

What I initually liked about this breeder was that other than specialising in longcoats, they breed the traditional square backed working shepherd, rather than this horrible, roach-backed obsession going around.
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They are definitely breeding level toplines; I don't know that they're really breeding "working" Shepherds. If you don't want the roach back stay away from German Showlines. Those are really the only dogs that have it.

trudy · 05-17-2011, 12:51 PM

I actually couldn't see proof of hips/elbows, none of the links are clickable and some say they are planning to get it but no proof they are clear. Also there is not one training title, an the pics of the dog waiting in front of a jump of about 4", what is that??? No training would be done for a gS at that height, even babies would jump about 8", I would keep looking for another kennel

wolfstraum · 05-17-2011, 04:46 PM

well - very few members here from Australia....I **think*** you have to do hips there in order to breed - and there is little to no schutzhund!

Obviously breeding for companions, pretty coated dogs - no frame of reference for any other critique.....

Lee

ed1911 · 05-17-2011, 05:25 PM

I like the roach back comment, thats a great way to describe them. lol.

Anita · 05-18-2011, 06:17 AM

Hi,

Here are another couple of websites that might be of interest to you in your search.

German Shepherd Dog - Breeders - Puppies - Australia

German Shepherd Dog Club of Victoria | My Shepherd, My Friend, My Responsibility

Feel free to PM me if I can help you in anyway.

Cheers,
Anita

WildDog · 05-19-2011, 08:00 PM

Thank you for all your input, I think I will keep looking. Such a shame, such beautiful dogs...

Thanks Anita, the first site is where I found this breeder, very good site. Looking forward to chatting with you - another person from 'down south' lol.

P.S. Just had a final look on the site, and I found this:
http://www.macklinshepherds.com/non_...bloodlines.htm

It gives the hip and elbow scores of their black longcoats, could you please tell me what you think? Just for curiosity,

jillian · 05-19-2011, 08:23 PM

Here is a breeder in Australia, Von Forell

Von Forell German Shepherds | Shepherds Overview

05-16-2011, 08:13 PM	#1 (permalink)
WildDog New Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4	Breeder search! :) Hi there! I am currently in the process of searching for breeders in my local(ish) area, and came across this website. They seem to have some beautiful dogs, but would really like some opinions from the experienced GSD forumers! Any glaring red flags you can see? Respectable? Does anyone know them or have purchased a dog from them? Home - Macklin Shepherds Thanks in advance! Siobhan

05-16-2011, 08:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
Emoore Crowned Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North DFW, TX Posts: 9,214	Everything I say here is going strictly off their website. I have no personal experience with this breeder. The good: Their breeding animals have hip and elbow certifications. The bad: I worry when a breeder says, "We specialize in black long-coats," because black and long coat are both recessive traits. I worry that they might be limiting their gene pool in actively selecting for two recessive traits, rather than actively selecting for, say, temperament and working ability. I also cringe when breeders describe their GSDs as being calm and placid. German Shepherds are not supposed to be "calm and placid." It worries me that they make generalizations about temperament based on color and coat length: "Long haired dogs tend to be calmer, black dogs tend to have wonderful loving temperaments and want to be with people, etc." Temperament and color/coat length are unrelated. __________________ Rocky vom Backyard- 10 years young Kopper vom Felssclucht Bach - 17 months At the Bridge: Cash van der Animal Shelter 2006-2010 Last edited by Emoore; 05-16-2011 at 08:27 PM.

05-17-2011, 04:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
wolfstraum Crowned Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: PA Posts: 7,088	well - very few members here from Australia....I think* you have to do hips there in order to breed - and there is little to no schutzhund! Obviously breeding for companions, pretty coated dogs - no frame of reference for any other critique..... Lee __________________ Csabre Sch1, Hexe Sch2, Bengal, Kyra, Kira & Kougar v Wolfstraum ~ Basha Sch3, Ghost Sch3 - Danger Sch1 SAR - ATB/Ret - Kyra, Sch3, Alice Sch1, Kelsey, Fenja Sch3 wolfstraum.net

05-17-2011, 05:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
ed1911 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Louisiana Posts: 137	I like the roach back comment, thats a great way to describe them. lol. __________________ http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/germ...html?id=694462 http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/germ...html?id=687555

05-18-2011, 06:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
Anita Master Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Southland, New Zealand Posts: 721	Hi, Here are another couple of websites that might be of interest to you in your search. German Shepherd Dog - Breeders - Puppies - Australia German Shepherd Dog Club of Victoria \| My Shepherd, My Friend, My Responsibility Feel free to PM me if I can help you in anyway. Cheers, Anita __________________ Home of Ch. Aimsway Quick Tricks BSCL1 'A' 'Z' WQ (Imp Aust), 2010 National Gold Medal and 2008 National Silver Medal winner. Multi in show & Gold Medal winner.

05-16-2011, 11:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
WildDog New Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4	Thanks for your reply, it really helps to get a second opinion. What I initually liked about this breeder was that other than specialising in longcoats, they breed the traditional square backed working shepherd, rather than this horrible, roach-backed obsession going around. I love the solid blacks, and especially adore longcoats, my parents were breeders and we retained a longhair from a litter, and she was the most adoring, loving girl I've ever owned. Probably nothing to do with her coat, but she had this sweet, soft face that used to send me to jelly, haha. Thanks again for your opinion, I appreciate it. Is there anyone else who has had dealings with them? Or can tell me what they think based on their website? I really would love as many opnions as possible.

05-17-2011, 12:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
trudy Master Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 920	I actually couldn't see proof of hips/elbows, none of the links are clickable and some say they are planning to get it but no proof they are clear. Also there is not one training title, an the pics of the dog waiting in front of a jump of about 4", what is that??? No training would be done for a gS at that height, even babies would jump about 8", I would keep looking for another kennel

05-19-2011, 08:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
WildDog New Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 4	Thank you for all your input, I think I will keep looking. Such a shame, such beautiful dogs... Thanks Anita, the first site is where I found this breeder, very good site. Looking forward to chatting with you - another person from 'down south' lol. P.S. Just had a final look on the site, and I found this: http://www.macklinshepherds.com/non_...bloodlines.htm It gives the hip and elbow scores of their black longcoats, could you please tell me what you think? Just for curiosity, Last edited by WildDog; 05-19-2011 at 08:06 PM.

05-19-2011, 08:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
jillian Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 127	Here is a breeder in Australia, Von Forell Von Forell German Shepherds \| Shepherds Overview __________________

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