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Old 04-20-2011, 07:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I hope this post does not start a flame war here. I often see that dogs that are classified as "working line" descend from Czech lines often with sable coloring. I have also seen West German line dogs classified as Working Class as defined by results in Sieger Show. These dogs look like what most people call showline dogs with black and tan coloration. Most of the dogs that I see doing work in Schutzhund Trials that I have seen appear to be from Czech lines. What is the differance between West German Working line black and tans vs. Czech working line dogs?
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II have also seen West German line dogs classified as Working Class as defined by results in Sieger Show.
Sure these aren't Show Line dogs competing in a working class?

By the way, Czech dogs aren't the only working lines. To further confuse the issue, there are West German Working and East German Working. And Belgian. And probably some others.
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Thanks for the responses so far. I guess I could narrow down my question to the following: How can one distinguish between West German Showline and West German working line dogs that have similar appearance since it seems that both seem to have SchH titles?
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Working class is just that.... A class at an SV style show. The working class is for Schutzhund (or HGH) titled dogs. Showline, workingline.....,doesn't matter.
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Thanks for the responses so far. I guess I could narrow down my question to the following: How can one distinguish between West German Showline and West German working line dogs that have similar appearance since it seems that both seem to have SchH titles?
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If the Pedigree has all blk/red dogs with V or Va ratings, probably a showline. Mix of colors in past generations, and ratings of G, SG and V's..... Probably working line.
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my dog is a west german working lined dog that's a darkish sable so you can't really tell by color. i have noticed that most show line dogs carry the common black/tan color but that doesn't mean a working lined dog can't have it either (i think).
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The "working class" is just a class at a show, it does not describe the dogs that participate or which lines they are from. It is the class for dogs 2-6 years old that have obtained a SchH or HGH title.
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My understanding is that you can't breed your GSD in Germany unless you have a Sch title. So the mere Sch1 or Sch3 title isn't necessarily helpful to us to tell between working and show.
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I think the trend has been for West German Show Lines to be mostly Black/Tan(Red). Then the West German Working Lines would have any other coloring but the Black/tan(red). Then you have East German Working Lines (aka DDR). Most of the Czech dogs came from dogs originally bred in East Germany. These dogs usually are of similar coloring. This is by no means the standard, just a small example of what is being bred. Some lines get mixed in breedings too. W German Show to W German Working.
So did you want to know the conformation differences in the lines or just coloring? Not sure because the West German black and tan is really considered a show line.
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