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Old 01-27-2011, 12:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Kennel Info- Tom z Pohranicni straze Line

Hello, Ran across this kennel, fairly close to our area & was just curious if anyone has heard of them, have a dog from them, etc? Any suggestion on lines?

If a dog from them, please share if too much drive (crazy, intense, gotta go, go, go 24/7) or if you were or are happy? How are temps? Any issues?

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I am currently looking into a Czech/DDR with a smidge of WG breeding. I have been doing A LOT of research on the Czech lines... there are a few threads I started with a TONE of information.. I'll try to link them here.
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Here are some threads that have information with these lines:

Pohranicni Straze (Czech Border Patrol)

http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...e-bloomer.html


Would LOVE some opinions, advice, experiences, etc..


**Also, try searching the site too, LOTS of threads and GREAT information.
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I am currently looking into a Czech/DDR with a smidge of WG breeding. I have been doing A LOT of research on the Czech lines... there are a few threads I started with a TONE of information.. I'll try to link them here.
Ok thanks.

I'm not sure on the lines, when it come to DDR/Czech ~ West vs East, etc. I kind have read a bit & been told alittle to get an idea. Seems each person has a diff opinion on the WL's.

Just thinking of a future agility dog. Would like nice drive & a good passive (not dominate/pushy) temp. Just unsure on lines? Thinking DDR might be to heavy bodied for the sport & the Czech dogs seems more sleek, smaller build.

I just know, need good drive for agility, but not up for a crazy, can't settle, bite at ya when working drive.

Two of our dogs now (WL), I feel maybe have med drive compared to some BC like GSD I have seen run agility. Seems our bk male focuses way better & really gets into work mod when working him. Our female, well she works & loves agility, but her focus lacks.
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Do they actually own Tom or are they just saying "this is who their dogs are linebred on?" I don't thihnk it's very clear on their website.

They don't have the pedigrees up of any of their dogs, but that statement implies to me that ALL their dogs are linebred on Tom? I would question why they are doing that if that is the case. Most breeders want some kind of diversity in their program, not all doing back to the same dog.

They also misspell Tom's name ("Tom Prohencia Straze") under their female page every single time.

But a cursory glance and wondering about those things is as far as I've gotten. Just food for thought and I'd reserach carefully from there.

ETA: I did go onto pedigree database real quick. I don't see the pedigrees for 3 of their dogs (3 females, 1 male). It does indeed appear that every one of their dogs is either linebred or has Tom at least once in the pedigree. Perhaps one of the experts can chime in, but I've never seen this before (of course it's almost impossible in WG lines to get away from Fero, but as a general rule of thumb) and it seems quite strange that they would not want some kind of complementary breeding to occur and diversity in their genetics.
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You probably think what your goals are in agility. Are you looking to go to Nationals? compete locally? I think DDR dogs are generally a nice medium on most fronts.
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if I were looking for a specific type of dog to do agility with, my personal preference is a longer leg, sleeker body type (when it comes to gsd's).

I would look for breeders who are doing agility and doing it well, kiahaus comes to mind, MRL here on the board has a couple of dogs from Chris WIld (also on the board), tho I'm not doing agility with my girl, she came from kleinenhain who does agility with her dogs..I'm sure there are more I'm definately missing.

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I had trouble gettinhg dogs to come up on PDB also, but played with it & got them to.

Agility, na, just plan on competing local, who knows where we would end up if a good dog, but have no plans on nationals or anything. Just not sure what I should seek WL wise?

Anyone know what lines Wildhaus are? I didn't seem to see it stated on their site.

I have heard pros/cons to Czech dogs, but seems most of your WL dogs are just that & to me, they seem like your sleeker build type of dogs.

Thanks for replys & when it comes to breeding, how do it, lines to use, which lines are good, etc, have know clue. Trying to learn though.
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Do they actually own Tom or are they just saying "this is who their dogs are linebred on?" I don't thihnk it's very clear on their website.

Under males, does state info under Tom. I was also told this dog had just died & lived to be 16? That's a plus to the bloodline IMO.

BTW, I'm in no means searching for a dog with big bada** pedigree, not breeding, just looking for right build for sport, good (sweet) temp, & willing to work, play, have fun, not tire easy, good focus, etc

BC drive, too over the top for this gal........................
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Anyone know what lines Wildhaus are?
Mostly West German, with a bit of DDR a few generations back. Occasionally crossed to Czech lines with some litters, and have a 1/2 Czech, 1/2 WGR youngster who will hopefully join the breeding ranks in the future.


As for the kennel mentioned, I know nothing about them. Though have to admit being skeptical about a breeder of "working German Shephard's Dog". They didn't own Tom zPS, and that is a bit misleading on their website unless you read the blurb that says he is just who some of their dogs are linebred on.

As far as Tom, he is behind many of the best Czech lines. Our new addition's dam is linebred 4-2 on Tom. So far with Jazz, there isn't anything not to like. Very good drives, but excellent off switch (surprisingly so for her age actually), very hard, exceptional nerve, not too independent, not too people focused, directable but at the same time with a bit of stubborn streak and desire for mischief. Excellent focus and desire to work. At only 5 months old there is only so much that can be seen yet, but so far so good. This is my only really significant first hand experience with Tom lines though.

For more info on Tom lines, contact Cliff. He has tremendous wealth of knowledge on these lines, including having owned a Tom daughter and currently owning an older full sibling to our Jazz.
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