Finding a good breeder in Ontario, Canada?

Ada_GSD · 07-12-2010, 02:01 AM

Hi everyone

We're planning on adding a GSD puppy to our family, but we want to find a good, reputable breeder that can provide us with a healthy, good tempered and intelligent pet puppy. We've been doing lots of research and have a good idea on what to look for, but we were wondering if someone can suggest some good breeders in the GTA area or maybe around Barrie/Simcoe?

I also had a question about the back of a GSD... we have one breeder that we found that is saying very good things about their dogs (and seems to have proof of them too), but what's scaring me away is that on the photos their backs seem to be extremely angled. A picture is attached. Is this something to worry about? Extreme show lines? A bad thing? Are working lines generally better?

The parents of the current pups are Male: Jerro von Nordsee Sturm / Female: Honey z Otradny

CKC registration, vet- checked, first shots, dewormed, tattooed.

German line, 30 World Champions in 5 generations.
Great children of Ursus v Batu, ( http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/6186.html )

Grand children of Ghandi v Arlett,( http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/119826.html ),

Children of Jerro von Nordsee Sturm (Rivergreen Shepherds Kennel)
(http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/401384.html)

Also in their pedigree:
4-4 Hobby vom Gletschertopf
5-5 Fanto v Hirschel

Also seems the father is 8 years old?? is that normal?

Thanks!

Jessiewessie99 · 07-12-2010, 02:37 AM

Hi and welcome! There are breeders of both Show lines and Working lines on this forum.

I know you want a healthy, good tempered, and intelligent(all GSDs are intelligent.) But have you considered a rescue or shelter? They do get puppies. Yes, I know you don't know the puppies parents or background.

As for the backs, working lines tend have straighter looking backs, but there are great show line breeders who have dogs that have good backs. Hopefully someone with better knowledge on the backs will chime in.

Do you know what lines you want?Like do you want American lines, German show lines, Czech, West, East, DDR? That can also help us find a good breeder for you.

**Castlemaid** · 07-12-2010, 09:02 AM

Sorry, hope someone can give you a good recommendation! The pictures you linked and attached are, to my eyes anyways, some nice-looking moderately angled dogs. The slope you see has a lot to do with the stack, or how they stand their dogs. These dogs don't look "overly" angulated to me (which is good).

If you prefer dogs with less angulation, you may want to look into the working lines - but the incidence of Hip-displaysia is associated with family genetics, and not with the slope of the back.
Whether show or working lines are better, it depends on what you are looking for. I'm biased towards working lines myself

, but no reason a show line won't work for you!

Does the breeder have a website?

Ada_GSD · 07-13-2010, 02:20 PM

What do you guys think of Von Balkan ? And the current litter there? (See pedigrees).

Lucy Dog · 07-13-2010, 02:34 PM

The Von Balkan kennel you posted a link to are for west german showline GSD's. Good looking dogs if that's what you're looking for. All have their A stamps and are titled, so that's good, but typical for west german showlines. I'm not seeing any red flags.

If you like the look of these dogs and this is what you're looking for, i'd go to the kennel for a visit. Meets the dogs and the puppies and speak to the breeder to see if they can pick out the right puppy for what you're looking for. Hopefully everything works out.

Ada_GSD · 07-13-2010, 02:53 PM

Could you point out the main differences between the various lines? I mean, you say "If that's what you're looking for", but how do I know? I haven't seen every type of GSD and certainly haven't spent time with every type. Are there some major differences you could mention?

Lucy Dog · 07-13-2010, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ada_GSD

Could you point out the main differences between the various lines? I mean, you say "If that's what you're looking for", but how do I know? I haven't seen every type of GSD and certainly haven't spent time with every type. Are there some major differences you could mention?

Not a problem...

Breed Types & Related Families

That kind of just shows the basics on the different lines. There are plenty of threads discussing the different lines on this message board if you just search around a little. You could also always ask specific questions if you have any.

holland · 07-13-2010, 03:15 PM

You could try Renee Lucesau at www.committedtocanine.com She has nice dogs and she works her dogs. If she doesn't have any upcoming litters she might be able to reccommend some other breeders to you

Ada_GSD · 07-13-2010, 03:22 PM

"Shortcomings which are most typical of this family are roached backs, fading pigmentation and weak temperament."

Does anyone know, from the link above for the West German Show Lines, what is implied by weak temperament? Ie. weak in what sense?

**Castlemaid** · 07-13-2010, 03:27 PM

Here you go!!!

Elem. of Temperament

Best article I have ever seen discussing temperament. I would consider this mandatory reading for all GSD owners, and future GSD owners.

Breeders should be able to quote it backwards and forwards

.

07-12-2010, 02:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
Ada_GSD New Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9	Finding a good breeder in Ontario, Canada? Hi everyone We're planning on adding a GSD puppy to our family, but we want to find a good, reputable breeder that can provide us with a healthy, good tempered and intelligent pet puppy. We've been doing lots of research and have a good idea on what to look for, but we were wondering if someone can suggest some good breeders in the GTA area or maybe around Barrie/Simcoe? I also had a question about the back of a GSD... we have one breeder that we found that is saying very good things about their dogs (and seems to have proof of them too), but what's scaring me away is that on the photos their backs seem to be extremely angled. A picture is attached. Is this something to worry about? Extreme show lines? A bad thing? Are working lines generally better? The parents of the current pups are Male: Jerro von Nordsee Sturm / Female: Honey z Otradny CKC registration, vet- checked, first shots, dewormed, tattooed. German line, 30 World Champions in 5 generations. Great children of Ursus v Batu, ( http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/pedigree/6186.html ) Grand children of Ghandi v Arlett,( http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/119826.html ), Children of Jerro von Nordsee Sturm (Rivergreen Shepherds Kennel) (http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/...ee/401384.html) Also in their pedigree: 4-4 Hobby vom Gletschertopf 5-5 Fanto v Hirschel Also seems the father is 8 years old?? is that normal? Thanks! Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Ada_GSD; 07-12-2010 at 02:10 AM.

07-12-2010, 02:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jessiewessie99 Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lakewod, CA Posts: 6,807	Hi and welcome! There are breeders of both Show lines and Working lines on this forum. I know you want a healthy, good tempered, and intelligent(all GSDs are intelligent.) But have you considered a rescue or shelter? They do get puppies. Yes, I know you don't know the puppies parents or background. As for the backs, working lines tend have straighter looking backs, but there are great show line breeders who have dogs that have good backs. Hopefully someone with better knowledge on the backs will chime in. Do you know what lines you want?Like do you want American lines, German show lines, Czech, West, East, DDR? That can also help us find a good breeder for you. __________________ Jessica-Shelter Volunteer Molly-GSD ✔ Certified Ninja Dog Tanner-GSD ✔ Certified Lovebug RIP: Max & Simba "No matter how dark the moment, love and hope are always possible."-George Chakiris, as said by Agent Derek Mogan

07-12-2010, 09:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
Castlemaid Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 9,088	Sorry, hope someone can give you a good recommendation! The pictures you linked and attached are, to my eyes anyways, some nice-looking moderately angled dogs. The slope you see has a lot to do with the stack, or how they stand their dogs. These dogs don't look "overly" angulated to me (which is good). If you prefer dogs with less angulation, you may want to look into the working lines - but the incidence of Hip-displaysia is associated with family genetics, and not with the slope of the back. Whether show or working lines are better, it depends on what you are looking for. I'm biased towards working lines myself , but no reason a show line won't work for you! Does the breeder have a website? __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD (HOT) Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH, OFA Good (HOT) "Bites Through the Sleeve" Cuddlebug, b: Mar 2009

07-13-2010, 02:34 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lucy Dog Crowned Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Connecticut Posts: 5,180	The Von Balkan kennel you posted a link to are for west german showline GSD's. Good looking dogs if that's what you're looking for. All have their A stamps and are titled, so that's good, but typical for west german showlines. I'm not seeing any red flags. If you like the look of these dogs and this is what you're looking for, i'd go to the kennel for a visit. Meets the dogs and the puppies and speak to the breeder to see if they can pick out the right puppy for what you're looking for. Hopefully everything works out. __________________ Paul

07-13-2010, 03:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Castlemaid Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Northern British Columbia Posts: 9,088	Here you go!!! Elem. of Temperament Best article I have ever seen discussing temperament. I would consider this mandatory reading for all GSD owners, and future GSD owners. Breeders should be able to quote it backwards and forwards . __________________ Lucia Keeta BH, OB1, TR1, AD (HOT) Rottweiler/Hairy Dog mix?? Shelter rescue Gryffon Vom Wildhaus BH, OFA Good (HOT) "Bites Through the Sleeve" Cuddlebug, b: Mar 2009

07-13-2010, 02:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Ada_GSD New Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9	What do you guys think of Von Balkan ? And the current litter there? (See pedigrees).

07-13-2010, 02:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ada_GSD New Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9	Could you point out the main differences between the various lines? I mean, you say "If that's what you're looking for", but how do I know? I haven't seen every type of GSD and certainly haven't spent time with every type. Are there some major differences you could mention?

07-13-2010, 03:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
holland Crowned Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,632	You could try Renee Lucesau at www.committedtocanine.com She has nice dogs and she works her dogs. If she doesn't have any upcoming litters she might be able to reccommend some other breeders to you

07-13-2010, 03:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
Ada_GSD New Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9	"Shortcomings which are most typical of this family are roached backs, fading pigmentation and weak temperament." Does anyone know, from the link above for the West German Show Lines, what is implied by weak temperament? Ie. weak in what sense?

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