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Old 12-08-2011, 02:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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This is who I bought my male silver sable GSD from. He is an awesome dog, he has medium drive, he has a straight top line and is a stock coat. When I got him he only had 2 accidents in the house. He is eager to please me and very smart. He is UKC, she does have some AKC litters as well. You can see pics of him on my profile page.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:24 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I can elaborate. While the term "responsible breeder" is thrown around a lot on this forum, sometimes it can be hard to qualify what makes a breeder "responsible."

One thing that can definitely make a breeder irresponsible though is to try to create "designer dogs" out of the breed. This breeder has admittedly just created a mutt- assuming she's bred a GSD with a Shiloh Shepherd, that is. That's not the kind of breeding most smile upon...

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I also have a litter of the only designer litter I breed, my German Shiloh Shepherd puppies. My designer litter of German Shiloh Shepherd puppies will be ready for new homes mid December.
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His mother is Tala, my silver sable Shiloh Shepherd. His father is Drago, my full working line, solid black, German import German Shepherd.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:47 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Thanks Willy.

Not to mention that the breeder has multiple litters on the ground at once.

I dont see anything about her health testing the dogs, where are their OFA results?

Why does the price change for each dog? The puppies are selling anywhere from $350-750.





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Old 12-08-2011, 02:47 PM   #15 (permalink)
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This is who I bought my male silver sable GSD from. He is an awesome dog, he has medium drive, he has a straight top line and is a stock coat. When I got him he only had 2 accidents in the house. He is eager to please me and very smart. He is UKC, she does have some AKC litters as well. You can see pics of him on my profile page.
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you probably have one of the thousands of littermates to my boyfriends dog. my boyfriend not knowing any better bought my silver sable male from this breeder.

I do not condone the type of breeding she does. While my dog has a decent temperament and fairly good health considering, he still does have allergies, he has a TMJ problem, and a hock problem that causes him to limp occasionally after too much stress on it, and still has his quirks.

But I worked a LOT with this dog to socialize and train him.

This breeder does not health test. She is a Back Yard Breeder. Literally breeding to breed to breed to breed to see more $$$ in her pocket.

She is a very nice lady I will give her that. But I got lucky with what my dog turned out to be.
IMPO if you get a dog with a good temperament from this breeder, then you got lucky, or you raised your dog up really really well.

Loki has very high prey drive, but lacks a lot of courage in himself. With maturity he has gained quite a bit and on the surface appears to be like any other shepherd.
He is extremely high energy, he settles fine in the house, but this dog seriously needs an hour of extreme exercise EVERY day. I think in the wrong home he could have been a very dominant dog who had a few behavioral issues. As a trainer I've had no problem with him.

there are so many sables, and even silver sables that pop up in great workingline breedings. Don't waste your money on a dog you will have to "fix up" or potentially pay out big time for the health issues. Get a dog who will be a fantastic companion with balanced drives who can be everything you want him to be an more with very minimal effort. Let alone support a breeder who breeds for better. Not someone throwing dogs together in their backyard... literally.

Don't get me wrong, I love this dog to pieces! But I will never go back to that breeder for very very strong reasons.
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I've stumbled onto [this breeder's] website a couple times before. Wasn't impressed at all and quite frankly her puppies look very BYB to me. Last time I was on her site. She was advertising a rare brindle GSD and charging either $1000 or $1200 for it. It was clearly not a brindle. It just had what I call "bar-ing" (blackening) down its legs.

I wouldn't recommend this breeder at all nor would I sell any of my dogs/puppies to her.
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Old 12-08-2011, 02:52 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I met someone at at agility trial recently with a silver sable they had purchased from Germelhaus, a very good working line breeder here in Texas. It is possible to get silver sables from good, ethical breeders.
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Please don't consider that breeder... The website gives me a headache. No titles, no pedigrees, no health testing.. typical BYB.
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Before filling a BYB's pockets, do consider adoption.

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so go for the rescues locally - I would much rather see people looking for pets go to a rescue than a BYB/commercial breeder!!!

Light sables - often called 'silver sables' - are too easy to find - when breeding black and tans to sables, many pups end up light washy sable with pattern....

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