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Old 01-18-2009, 12:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Can anyone give me advice on Snowcloud kennels?
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Old 01-18-2009, 12:25 AM   #2 (permalink)
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posted the website:

http://www.pets4you.com/pages/snowcloud.html
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Old 01-18-2009, 12:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Quotes from the website:

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Quote:They grow to be exceptionally large. The males usually mature from 29" up in height and the females 25" up, depending on the care they receive after leaving our home.
From the German Shepherd standard:

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Quote:The desired height for males at the top of the highest point of the shoulder blade is 24 to 26 inches; and for bitches, 22 to 24 inches.
They are purposefully breeding to produce oversized dogs.

They also seem to be breeding for specific colors (and I don't mean white).

Blue and liver are both serious faults in the breed standard.

Also, looking at this page and their other website (http://www.geocities.com/snowcldpets1/), nowhere do I see mention of any testing - health or temperament.
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Important things are missing, at least from the website. No health certs mentioned at all, not even OFA. I understand oversized GSD's to be especially prone to joint problems.
But there is a "new red color".
I'd not consider them for the reasons Lauri mentioned. They are purposefully breeding outside the standard.
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Sure, Run FAR and FAST in the opposite direction!
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Snowcloud is the kennel name of Alice Horton. Who has raised Shepherds for a good 30+ years. Back 30 years ago she specialized in White Shepherds, though only a few of her dogs ever were shown in conformation. She did have a number of dogs with obedience degrees and several showed well in WGSDCI shows. Her dogs have always been large... many overly large. Her early dogs were from Dorothy Crider in California who was an actress, and owned the Chinook dogs including The dog who was in Corky and White Shadow from the Disney studios. Several of Alice's early dogs were from there.
Alice must be in her 80's by now as I remember White Shadow from being a kid (and I'm well past that now) The dogs I've personally met from her line are mentally stable, very large, heavy bone, massive head, intelligent and quite handsome. BUT they're NOT dogs for either competitive sport as they are very large... they're also not bred specifically for conformation traits though they're attractive pets. I also don't know if she does any kind of diagnostic testing evey hips and elbows.
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I remember this website from another thread a while ago. They claim to have "top working" dogs, and yet all I could find in the web was a DQ in only one obedience trial and some titles from dogs born 25 years ago.

Am I confused with another kennel or we had a heated discussion with a troll about them here?
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Ya know, I could almost deal with the White Shadow [Disney] and Rin Tin Tin lines considering the kennel has been around since the late 60's?? BUT that she is "NOW" branching out into "RARE" Blues and Livers just blows away any understanding of adherence to a long long term program....takes it into a whole new plain old commercial enterprise.

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Originally Posted By: tiracCan anyone give me advice on Snowcloud kennels?
Sure, Run FAR and FAST in the opposite direction!
What she said.
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Scroll down to the "red" section.

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Quote:New color available - RED
"Baron von Doran" at l0 months of age
Is it just me or does this dog REALLY look like a chow mix?
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