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Zeeva 06-27-2014 04:40 AM

The law of physics and life
 
If energy cannot be created or destroyed, do you think it's true that when you personally accomplish something or you gain an opportunity, it means that you've taken away from someone else?

If it's true, isn't that a harsh way of looking at a happy moment in life?

I guess a dog analogy would be, if you title your dog, would that mean that some other dog would've been titled if you and your dog weren't in the 'competition'? So essentially you took someone else's accomplishment away by making it your own...

Pax8 06-27-2014 05:08 AM

That's a harsh way of looking at it if you only focus on single instances. The thing I find fascinating about physics and specifically energy is that it is always flowing from one state to the next. It is never static. There may be bitter instances (losing a challenge as someone else wins a title) and there may be bittersweet instances (winning the title as someone else goes home empty-handed) but once you move on from that single instance in time, there is unlimited potential in what can happen next, whether good or bad. And I think that unknowable truth is endlessly exciting. :)

Gretchen 06-27-2014 10:29 AM

"The law of conservation of energy is a law of science that states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but only changed from one form into another or transferred from one object to another.'

I'd rather think about it as changed or transferred - rather than being taken away from.

Jax08 06-27-2014 10:33 AM

What an incredibly interesting question.

Shade 06-27-2014 10:47 AM

I know personally I look at all aspects of life and am thankful for my accomplishments and use failures as platforms to improve myself. I'm not out there to make myself better then others, I'm striving to improve myself so that I can be the best person I can be.

Does it feel nice coming in 4th and missing that medal or placement by that slight margin? No, it stings but maybe last time I was in 8th so I know I am getting better and will continue to work on it. There are always going to be 'winners' and 'losers' in life, letting that notion bother me just causes needless worry.

Rangers_mom 06-27-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Shade (Post 5698953)
Does it feel nice coming in 4th and missing that medal or placement by that slight margin? No, it stings but maybe last time I was in 8th so I know I am getting better and will continue to work on it. There are always going to be 'winners' and 'losers' in life, letting that notion bother me just causes needless worry.

Actually there was a psychological study done of athletes that showed that the bronze medalist was happier than the silver medalist. The silver medalist felt miserable that they came up just short of a gold while the bronze medalist was grateful that they squeaked onto the medal stand. The most unhappy person in the entire competition was the person who came in 4th.

Zeeva 06-27-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Shade (Post 5698953)
There are always going to be 'winners' and 'losers' in life, letting that notion bother me just causes needless worry.

Some answers are so simple it's silly I can't figure it out myself...

Castlemaid 06-27-2014 12:01 PM

That is an interesting question. But I feel that your example is one of values put onto an outcome, not the energy inherent in the process.

For example, I put a BH and an AD on Keeta - it was a TON of work, and the first dog I ever did any formal obedience training with. It was a huge learning experience for me, and a real challenge for Keeta, but we did it. For her, I was asking a LOT to heel for 50 paces, to do the jump and the retrieves, to stay focused on task for minutes on end. It was an enourmous amount of work and took a lot of mind-power for Keeta to learn a down stay that was solid for 10 minutes or more. It took a lot of training sessions for her to learn to run by my bike for the AD and not allow herself to be distracted by things like smells and dead toads on the road.

She had a lot of impulse issues and a no concept of self-control when first adopted, and I am immensely proud of what we have done and what we have accomplished. She will never win prizes over other dogs in SchH/IPO, but the positive energy created and the positive changes it brought about in our relationship during the training and trialing process took the un-focused energy she had and focused it into self-discipline and work ethic.

I was happy that we made the journey, and felt like we have gained a lot, even though others won titles and trophies that we did not. Nothing was lost, everything was gained.

So it is not that it 'took away' from someone else, it changed energy into a different form. I believe that thoughts, which are neural impulses, which is electrical activity - is energy that we have the power to manipulate from negative energy to positive energy. I believe that energy is never lost, and all energy stays in the universe, so using our ability to generate positive thoughts helps the universe around us prosper and function well.

The examples you are coming up with are one of public recognition - energy just is, whether it is recognized by a show of trophies, or generated with no public awareness (as actions done in private, but creating a flow of positive feeling and energy).

I feel that the energy is physical all around us, as the solar energy, or wind energy - it is up to us to harness the energy and transform it into postive outcomes, as in using the sun and wind to generate electricity - it wasn't lost from the universe, just changed into a different form.

ApselBear 06-27-2014 12:11 PM

We're attempting to apply a law of physics to a metaphysical(maybe I'm using the wrong term) topic, while it is interesting to attempt this, I cannot see the connection.

Strictly energy speaking, the two systems here are completely independent, yours and your dog's system and the other handler's and their dog's system. You separately put in the time, food, training, etc. and then somehow arbitrarily measure the two together. If you win, did the other person ever really deserve the win, unless you win by some random technicality and even still?

The topic reminds me of running track in high school. I used to make so many enemies before races because other runners would like to compare workouts and I also had the lightest workouts. I'd maybe run 5-6 miles total a week including speed workouts, while everyone else was hitting 3 and 4 times as many miles. But, week in and week out, I'd run their butts into the ground at the meets. Did I deserve the wins any less? I never felt that way, to me, the performance at competition out weighs any work you put into the preparation. Of course the prep work is important, but it won't mean a thing when it doesn't show on comp day.

You either earn the success, or you deserve the failure when the it comes to competition, but it all happens in that moment and nothing else matters.

Zeeva 07-05-2014 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Castlemaid (Post 5699513)
That is an interesting question. But I feel that your example is one of values put onto an outcome, not the energy inherent in the process.

For example, I put a BH and an AD on Keeta - it was a TON of work, and the first dog I ever did any formal obedience training with. It was a huge learning experience for me, and a real challenge for Keeta, but we did it. For her, I was asking a LOT to heel for 50 paces, to do the jump and the retrieves, to stay focused on task for minutes on end. It was an enourmous amount of work and took a lot of mind-power for Keeta to learn a down stay that was solid for 10 minutes or more. It took a lot of training sessions for her to learn to run by my bike for the AD and not allow herself to be distracted by things like smells and dead toads on the road.

She had a lot of impulse issues and a no concept of self-control when first adopted, and I am immensely proud of what we have done and what we have accomplished. She will never win prizes over other dogs in SchH/IPO, but the positive energy created and the positive changes it brought about in our relationship during the training and trialing process took the un-focused energy she had and focused it into self-discipline and work ethic.

I was happy that we made the journey, and felt like we have gained a lot, even though others won titles and trophies that we did not. Nothing was lost, everything was gained.

So it is not that it 'took away' from someone else, it changed energy into a different form. I believe that thoughts, which are neural impulses, which is electrical activity - is energy that we have the power to manipulate from negative energy to positive energy. I believe that energy is never lost, and all energy stays in the universe, so using our ability to generate positive thoughts helps the universe around us prosper and function well.

The examples you are coming up with are one of public recognition - energy just is, whether it is recognized by a show of trophies, or generated with no public awareness (as actions done in private, but creating a flow of positive feeling and energy).

I feel that the energy is physical all around us, as the solar energy, or wind energy - it is up to us to harness the energy and transform it into postive outcomes, as in using the sun and wind to generate electricity - it wasn't lost from the universe, just changed into a different form.

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