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post #11 of 94 (permalink) Old 12-05-2012, 07:07 PM
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I think if that is the biggest complaint of your child's school it can't be that bad JMO not that I agree with it but it happens everyday

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I do think our actions affect the people around us and being able to work as part of a team is important, but what kind of message does it send to kids if they follow the rules and get punished anyway?
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the good are always being punished because of the bad - our freedoms are continually being eroded not because good people can not handle freedom it's because bad people can't.

i think teachers are the most convenient scape-goat for every ill in society - so many parent just want to be "friends" of their children and expect that the teachers job is to teach discipline jmo.
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I remember my school bus driver would pull over and park on the side of the road if kids were acting up...I had to go to work shortly after getting home from school and she didn't give a flip about how she was affecting others. It did no good to complain, just made her angrier. I couldn't wait til I could drive, and sometimes I walked home just to avoid her power trip. I could make it just as fast shortcutting through the woods if the snow wasn't deep

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post #15 of 94 (permalink) Old 12-05-2012, 10:19 PM
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coming from a teacher...

I teach fifth grade and there are some instances when a group punishment is appropriate and others where it is not. For instance, I never take away recess...that would be a punishment for me

However, if I have 1-4 students that are misbehaving the students may miss an opportunity to work with partners or having to have a boy-girl line (which is actually pretty devastating).

Some teachers however, feel that a small group of kids will cause the entire class to sit with their heads down or lose recess, but I think it is unfair to generalize and bash teachers. We have to fix behavior problems that were not caused by us on a daily basis. Just saying take a moment to walk in someone's shoes before you make harsh judgements.


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From growing up I know for a fact that children tend to egg on the child that is disrupting the class. I remember my whole class when I was growing up (different teacher's we had 6 periods), a child would start acting up and others would join in. That is when a teacher would punish the whole class instead of the child who first started acting out. It also depends on what time of day it was as well. I state this because at certain times of the day children tend to get very rowdy (and sometimes rude), a tired child, is a good child (and would be able to focus more on the school work and not talk--cause trouble). So I think the teacher had a good idea of having the whole class walk the track. It tired them out and made it least likely the teacher would have another child disrupt the class again.

I have seen tempers on the teacher's fly and almost harm the child (when the child tried to fight them; actually, got into the teacher's face) in the wrong to get them out of the classroom it's scary and not good at all!!!!

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I can not tell you the awful stories I have heard from bus drivers, my mom use to be one. And I can not tell you my daughters worst teacher I ever meet, but I thought she was a nice person(bad teacher). So after second grade my daughter did not go to a public school. until 6th grade and I had to depend on her for her well being away, not a teachers!! Now my son learns different (just got two awards)but what he tells me about his school worries me!! It really worries me~!!!
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Nothing I say will ever matter, but it will cost money to change things so he might have a better direction. A Teacher is who they are and I think they should know right from wrong too?!!!
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Teachers Unions and tenure are partially to blame.

I had requested that parents review the teachers every year, the school of course would never go along. I could write a book on all the suggestions I would make to change public schools.
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Teachers often have their hands tied. My husband used to teach in one of the worst inner city schools we have here, and we have some of the worst public schools in the state (the school has since been shut down). He taught fifth grade and had kids coming to school with knives, boys pinning down and groping girls, you name it. One day he was outside talking to someone and a kid threw a ball at his face for no reason (he wasn't talk to that particular kid or playing their game). He had to see an ENT specialist was actually given the option of having surgery. I remember he called me at work to say he was taking the afternoon off (the day the kid threw the ball in his face) and I knew it was bad because my husband has never ever taken a sick day or even an allotted vacation day since he started in education. I know there was one incident where two kids were physically fighting and my husband pulled one boy away to stop the fight. Well that kid's mom came in and threw a fit because my husband "touched" her kid. So basically two fifth graders could be knifing each other or raping someone and my husband is not allowed to intervene because someone's parent will squawk to the administration.
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