Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD?

Kayla's Dad · 11-19-2009, 04:10 PM

SunCzarina · 11-19-2009, 04:16 PM

My husband used to leave one shiny penny for bad service.

I'm more the type to bitch to the manager and get something for fee.

Branca's Mom · 11-19-2009, 04:20 PM

I can't help believe that this is ONCE AGAIN one of those

news stories where we are getting only part of the story!!!!

Jax08 · 11-19-2009, 04:22 PM

As an ex-waitress I can say that is BS and I hope they get off and it sets a precedent! The tip is for good service! Not mandatory!

Virginia · 11-19-2009, 04:25 PM

This whole tipping thing has gotten ridiculous, imo. In some foreign countries, not only is tipping not expected, it's refused when you offer it. Sometimes it's actually insulting to the server when you try to tip them. You're supposed to do your job, and do it well, regardless of whether or not you get gratuity, that's what you get PAID for.

I can understand tipping a waitress or delivery person - they make like $2/hr and their wages factor in tips regardless of whether or not they get it. Even then, it should still depend on the quality of service, and not be mandatory.

For other professions that make well-above minimum wage it gets a little hard to swallow.

littledmc17 · 11-19-2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: SunCzarina
I'm more the type to bitch to the manager and get something for fee.

My DH will leave 10% for bad service 15% for OK and 20 for excellent service

But I agree with Jenn I write or call to managers get free stuff

SunCzarina · 11-19-2009, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted By: Jax08As an ex-waitress I can say that is BS and I hope they get off and it sets a precedent! The tip is for good service! Not mandatory!

I thought mandatory tips were standard practice for large parties. Sounds like this bar is taking it too far.

Zisso · 11-19-2009, 04:36 PM

I can't believe what this world is coming to! The waiter/waitress should have done a better job and while they can calculate the going rate for tips, the lack of doing so should not be a jailable offence! I worked in the hospitality industry for 18 years and could never have taken it that far!

3K9Mom · 11-19-2009, 04:53 PM

It depends. If the group called ahead and reserved, was advised this is protocol, then this is a contract (a verbal contract) and they're obligated. If it's written in large print in the menu, I'd still say it's a contract and they're still obligated.

If it's written in tiny print on the back of the menu, or the server mentioned it after they ordered, or they weren't advised at all, then they were well within their rights.

A red flag to me would have been that a group of SIX is considered a large group. Six is often just a family. Had I seen that on the menu (and been that size group), I would have been

... I don't have a problem with mandatory tips when a group gets large because then people often don't know each other well enough to say "Hey Bob, pay your share!" But with a group of six people (often three couples) that shouldn't be an issue.

Two thoughts come to mind: either this place gets a lot of tourists who can be known not to tip well (because they're never coming back to that restaurant, so why bother?), or their service is usually pretty lousy. If it's the latter, then the manager knows it and is forcing his patrons to pay for service he knows they're not going to get.

As Tammy says, I don't know enough to form an opinion.

jfisher · 11-19-2009, 04:58 PM

It never ceases to amaze me what makes the news these days... LOL!

My

ex from long ago (not the latest) used to put ten one dollar bills on the table from the start and every time the poor waitress made a mistake, he obviously took one away each time. I HATED that!!!

And I agree gratuity is JUST THAT. It's even described as gratuity in the menu/bill! Gratuity does not equal required! That's a great way to cause really poor waitressing everywhere.

-Jackie

11-19-2009, 04:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kayla's Dad Knighted Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 2,831	Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? To tip or not? __________________ Samuel Kayla 02/12/05 Lancer 05/01/08

11-19-2009, 04:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
SunCzarina Crowned Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 12,031	Re: Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? My husband used to leave one shiny penny for bad service. I'm more the type to bitch to the manager and get something for fee. __________________ -Jenn Otto von Hena-C 05/23/08 Morgan Donnermond 08/04/01 I have duct tape and I am not afraid to use it.

11-19-2009, 04:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Branca's Mom Crowned Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 6,120	Re: Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? I can't help believe that this is ONCE AGAIN one of those news stories where we are getting only part of the story!!!! __________________ TAMMY

11-19-2009, 04:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jax08 Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NNE PA Posts: 14,321	Re: Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? As an ex-waitress I can say that is BS and I hope they get off and it sets a precedent! The tip is for good service! Not mandatory! __________________ Michelle _________________________________________ Jax Von Monkeybutt, CGC Queen Banshee Boo Sierra the Undecided Cracker, The Great Shedder Rich N Handsome, "Red"

11-19-2009, 04:25 PM	#5 (permalink)
Virginia Master Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 650	Re: Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? This whole tipping thing has gotten ridiculous, imo. In some foreign countries, not only is tipping not expected, it's refused when you offer it. Sometimes it's actually insulting to the server when you try to tip them. You're supposed to do your job, and do it well, regardless of whether or not you get gratuity, that's what you get PAID for. I can understand tipping a waitress or delivery person - they make like $2/hr and their wages factor in tips regardless of whether or not they get it. Even then, it should still depend on the quality of service, and not be mandatory. For other professions that make well-above minimum wage it gets a little hard to swallow.

11-19-2009, 04:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
Zisso Knighted Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,002	Re: Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? I can't believe what this world is coming to! The waiter/waitress should have done a better job and while they can calculate the going rate for tips, the lack of doing so should not be a jailable offence! I worked in the hospitality industry for 18 years and could never have taken it that far! __________________ Nadia - GSD -DOB 12-29-07 Zisso - GSD- DOB 9-16-07 Pepe & Kiki`my sweet kitties Zisso is my heart~Nadia is my Love~My kitties bring me everything in between~Together they bring me Joy!

11-19-2009, 04:53 PM	#9 (permalink)
3K9Mom Crowned Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 7,575	Re: Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? It depends. If the group called ahead and reserved, was advised this is protocol, then this is a contract (a verbal contract) and they're obligated. If it's written in large print in the menu, I'd still say it's a contract and they're still obligated. If it's written in tiny print on the back of the menu, or the server mentioned it after they ordered, or they weren't advised at all, then they were well within their rights. A red flag to me would have been that a group of SIX is considered a large group. Six is often just a family. Had I seen that on the menu (and been that size group), I would have been ... I don't have a problem with mandatory tips when a group gets large because then people often don't know each other well enough to say "Hey Bob, pay your share!" But with a group of six people (often three couples) that shouldn't be an issue. Two thoughts come to mind: either this place gets a lot of tourists who can be known not to tip well (because they're never coming back to that restaurant, so why bother?), or their service is usually pretty lousy. If it's the latter, then the manager knows it and is forcing his patrons to pay for service he knows they're not going to get. As Tammy says, I don't know enough to form an opinion.

11-19-2009, 04:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
jfisher Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,250	Re: Arrested for not paying the tip - WWYD? It never ceases to amaze me what makes the news these days... LOL! My ex from long ago (not the latest) used to put ten one dollar bills on the table from the start and every time the poor waitress made a mistake, he obviously took one away each time. I HATED that!!! And I agree gratuity is JUST THAT. It's even described as gratuity in the menu/bill! Gratuity does not equal required! That's a great way to cause really poor waitressing everywhere. -Jackie

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