What's considered a good home for a dog
I didn't want to derail the 'papered vs non-papered' thread so I'm starting a new one.
Selzer said (but it's the opinion of many people) that puppy mill and BYB dogs don't go to the best homes.
I disagree, I consider my home is a very good home for a dog but maybe my criteria is wrong.
So I was wondering what to you means a 'good home'.
If I do meet the criteria I will explain to you how it's possible for those dogs to go to a good home.
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Hoo boy, this topic's gonna be a super minefield of fun. But sure, I've got some time and a flame-retardant suit that hasn't seen much use for a while, so I'll jump in. ;)
Let me open by saying that I largely agree with selzer's point: in my opinion, the best homes are very knowledgeable about dogs, and people who are very knowledgeable about dogs do not, by and large, make a habit of buying BYB/puppy mill dogs. They will either adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue (or keep one of their own foster dogs) or they will purchase a dog from a really good breeder whose ethics are in line with their own and whose breeding program is producing the type of dogs they want.
There are some fuzzy gray-area exceptions at the margins, but as a rule of thumb, I think it's true enough that a "we love our family pet so much"-type BYB is not going to be able to count on placing 6 or 10 puppies to such homes, whereas a great, proven breeder can.
I'll try to use a non-GSD breeder to (hopefully) make my point without stepping on any forum members' toes: Coppertop Golden Retrievers
Look at the alphabet soup of titles on their dogs... and then look at the alphabet soup on the litters they produce: Coppertop Kids
That is a top competition breeder placing dogs in insanely good competition homes (and the very occasional family pet). Those extremely knowledgeable homes are largely closed off to BYB dogs.
Does that mean that BYB dogs can't go to good homes? No. Not at all. Most of them do. For all the tales of doom and woe you might hear about on this board, the truth is that most of them wind up being loved and loving family companions. They are cherished by their owners and they live safe, comfortable, happy lives.
But they're not going to go out there and set the world on fire, even if they have the potential to do so. Their prospects are limited before they're even born.
I think there could be many definitions of a good home. I also don't agree that puppy mill and BYB dogs often go to bad homes. Below I will list some qualities a good home will possess.
The things listed above would make for a good home. I provide all of these things for my dogs. I got Dakota from a garage sale, Ditto from a hobby breeder, Daisy from a neighbor who had an "accidental" litter, and Weegee came from a lesser quality hobby breeder. Of course there are many other things that create a good home, but these are the things that jump out at me initially.
And now for a follow-up post on the original question for this thread, namely: what makes a good home?
Here's my perspective, which I'll preface by saying that I am not a breeder and don't intend ever to be one, but I have placed a bunch of foster dogs in adoptive homes, so I think I can talk a little about this, if from a slightly different perspective.
My view is that what constitutes a "good home" depends very much on the individual dog.
Some things are pretty basic and universal: a good home will keep the dog physically and psychologically safe; a good home will provide decent food and necessary medical care and lots of attention, positive interaction, and affection; a good home will treat the dog as a cherished family member, train it humanely to have the manners it needs to be a welcome citizen of the world, and exercise its mind and body appropriately. Above all, a good home will love the dog and be responsible for it until the end of a hopefully long and treasured life.
Beyond that, it all comes down to the nebulous art of matchmaking.
A "good home" for a sedate 6-year-old beagle might be with a retired couple of senior citizens. A "good home" for a 6-month-old border collie might be with a 20-something outdoors enthusiast who hikes every weekend and does agility for fun. Once you get beyond the basics, there's no universal rule. It all depends on the individual dog and the individual home and whether their personalities, energy levels, lifestyles and expectations mesh.
Breeders are overwhelmingly concerned with placing young puppies from a large, powerful breed that was originally intended to be (and often still is) a serious working dog. That brings with it a certain set of concerns. A good home for that type of dog should ideally have (or be willing to develop) some level of dog knowledge and handling skill, the patience and reasonable expectations necessary to survive puppy adolescence, and (if the dog is from a line that retains working potential) some plans to involve the dog in a structured activity that will bring out its potential, provide an outlet for its energy, and engage its mind and body.
So that would be my take on it, I suppose. I don't think it's tremendously difficult to find good homes. But I also don't think that was the claim originally being made. :)
Oh, also, one big huge basic thing that is a total "dur" and I would have included it if it weren't almost 3 am (and yet here I still am, typing like a dummy...): the ethics of it all!
MaggieRoseLee had a really good post covering that in another thread, which I'll just link to here: http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum...ml#post4125930
In general, good owners are people who love dogs, and people who love dogs, IF they are educated about the current state of shelter overpopulation, puppy mills, responsible breeders, and all associated issues, will often shy away from giving money to BYBs for the reasons explained in that post.
That knocks out a pretty significant segment of good homes for those dogs. Again, there will be exceptions... but enough to place 6 or 10 puppies?
Anyway that's probably enough blathering from me for a bit. ;)
a good home for a dog with or without papers from a
mill or a reputable breeder consists of:
> the dog having it's own 25' x 25' room complete with a
40" hd tv.
> silver water and food bowls.
> leash and collar made of imported leather with
> fed fresh meat, chicken, fish, and fruit that's not
injected with anything.
> trained daily by the countries leading trainer
> chauffer driven to and from puppy class,
to his or her play area and to the potty area.
> has several hand made beds placed around
> has a fulltime sitter.
this is a list of a few things a good home provides.
Lol, my reply is to the post before, not doggie dad's. though my pup has all but the chauffeur and puppy classes. You made me lol
Exactly, that's where I was going with this. Yes, IF they know about BYB, shelters, etc and still choose to support it then maybe their morals can be questioned but it still doesn't mean they can't provide all the love and financial support.
So based on the criteria above i'd say I'm a good home, probably a very good one. This is my first dog and I didn't know about shelters, BYB and so on. It's possible believe it or not, I barely watch tv, don't read the news and only read about things I'm interested about. If I never got a dog and didn't start researching training - then i'd still didn't know.
Also, for someone getting the first gsd sometimes BYB is the only way to go. I wouldn't go to a shelter because they neuter (I so wish they didn't because i'd love to help a dog) and a breeder probably wouldn't approve me: I rent an apartment (so no backyard and I don't own), don't have vet references for my cats because I didn't take them to the vet, never had a gsd and so on.
Also, I'm very impatient. Once I make a decision I must act on it same second. I couldn't wait months for a pup.
BYB are convenient and cheap. For someone getting their first dog justifying paying over 1k for a pet is not easy. Yeah, once you learn of all the genetic problems you realize why it makes sense but even dogs coming from good breeders have many problems.
Anyway, what I meant to say was that it's not black and white that these dogs go to bad homes. At least not in my case unless I'm an exception but i'd imagine there are others like me: good pet owners that either choose a BYB or go to one out of ignorance (by the way my dog was from a puppy mill, I'm 99% sure of it).
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Well I didn't read the other thread so I might miss the mark here but I have four dogs, two are from puppy mills... One I bought from a pet store before I knew better, they 'said' the dogs weren't from puppy mills and I believed them, the other a rescue type situation of puppies pulled from a mill or store. My first dog(who is now almost 10) was from what would be termed here a 'BYB', just people breeding their dogs and selling them for a few hundred bucks. At the time I was really new to dogs, hadn't ever been on a dog forum so I just had no clue what I was doing. My rescue dog has a fair amount of temperament issues and that's about when I learned the importance of a good breeder(got him two years ago).
My pup from the pet store has had just about every health issue known to his breed(Pom) and my BYB dog has some fear aggression issues. So when I was finally able to get my GSD I made it a top priority to find a reputable breeder because I did NOT want similar issues to my other dogs in such a large powerful breed. I know it's not a guarantee but like people say here I wanted to stack the odds in my favor. So far so good, he's had no health issues so far and he has a great temperament, he is my go anywhere do anything dog! :wub:
I think I provide a really good home and I have the full spectrum of dog types... My dogs get the best medical care, good food, lots of attention, we tailor most of our vacations to be dog friendly so we can bring one or two, we do a lot of hiking/outdoor stuff and the dogs comes with, we don't have human children so they are pretty much our main focus and having my GSD with me really helps my anxiety issues so he comes with me everywhere he's allowed. My little BYB 10 y/o Chi/terrier mix is my veteran hiking buddy, she's been hiking all over SoCal, Nevada and Oregon... You'd never be able to tell that she's almost a senior citizen. :)
I think a lot of well meaning people who can't necessarily afford $1500-2000 reputable breeder dogs buy puppy mill/BYB dogs without realizing and I would think a fair amount get good homes. But I think probably a lot of people who make spur of the moment dog purchases and then get rid of the dog when it stops being fun or acts up also buy from these places.
But I think a good home is someone who can afford medical care and food, has the time and drive to care for the dog and put in any training that's needed(the people that don't want to train their dogs themselves makes me cringe a little, my dog and I wouldn't have the bond we do without all the time I've spent just me and him training together), plays with the dog, shows kindness and empathy. All the obvious things... I don't agree with supporting BYB's and puppy mills once you know better though... No not every dog coming out of one is going to be a hot mess but you're still supporting an unethical practice(not talking about small time hobby breeders).
One more thing. I hear people say that if people can't spend a lot of money upfront to buy the dog then how will they take care of it?
I got my dog for 300$. In 6months that I had him I spent about 7k and most of it was on unnecessary stuff, 7 leashes, 6 collars, countless toys and treats, pepper spray and police baton to protect him lol and so on.
So that's not true, people just don't see the need to spend the money to buy the dog (I'm not saying it's right, just stating a fact) but they will then spoil him and take care of all his needs.
Money is not everything anyway. As long as the dog is loved that's all that matters. Back in the day dogs lived on table scraps and lived until ripe old age.
I love my dog, I'm obsessed even.
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A good home is determined by who receives the dog and not where it came from!:cool:
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