Breeder owners vs Pet owners

cliffson1 · 02-05-2013, 07:54 AM

Often we have discussions on subjects like breeding, puppies, and training, and have a wide spectrum of opinions that often turn nasty.
In analyzing this, I have come to realize that pet owners and breeder owners tend to look at things from a different perspective, thus point of view.
Just like the habits and norm of running a house by a childless couple and a family with kids would vary greatly in many areas, it doesn't mean there is a singular right and wrong on how to do it. It would seem to me that the opinions and habits of pet people more reflect their experiences, as opposed to breeder owners who should rightfully be more involved in all aspects of breeding, puppies, and training to be credible. People who buy food for two do so differently than people who buy for ten. The same approach for two often will not be as effective for ten. I would like to discuss some of the areas where perspectives may be different for breeders owners than pet owners, because in many situations the same advice is not always best.

Xeph · 02-05-2013, 08:16 AM

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I would like to discuss some of the areas where perspectives may be different for breeders owners than pet owners, because in many situations the same advice is not always best.

Rehoming dogs is always a big one.

shepherdmom · 02-05-2013, 09:14 AM

You are leaving out rescuers who often see the worst of both the breeders and pet owners. They also have a different perspective.

As a pet owner titles and sports mean less that nothing to me. All I want is a healthy dog. Our training needs are very different. For example I don't care if my dog walks right by my side as long as he doesn't rip my arm out of my socket, I am happy.

Lilie · 02-05-2013, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cliffson1

Just like the habits and norm of running a house by a childless couple and a family with kids would vary greatly in many areas, it doesn't mean there is a singular right and wrong on how to do it.

You can't compare the two. They are hugely different. If a household decided not to have children, it will not change the odds of another household having children.

With out pet owners, EVERY breeder would be out of buisness.

**Liesje** · 02-05-2013, 09:20 AM

Well one thing that comes to mind is the double standard I see all the time. "Good breeders" are supposed to only own X-number of dogs, but at the same time are supposed to always take back a dog for any reason at any time and are not supposed to sell or re-home dogs that they are not using in their breeding program but give them all homes for life, no questions asks. Then there are threads about how hard it is to find good breeders and how rarely they breed dogs or have good puppies available....

JohnD · 02-05-2013, 09:25 AM

Breeders work hard to make a living from their dogs as well as trying to give their dogs the time and love that they need. I hope they do!!

Pet Owner for the most part are not making a living from their pets. So they should have more time to give the love and attention to their pets. At least we hope so.

Lilie · 02-05-2013, 09:30 AM

I don't think a breeder has to make a living from breeding dogs. I think a breeder should leave a legacy breeding dogs.

Marnie · 02-05-2013, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lilie

I don't think a breeder has to make a living from breeding dogs. I think a breeder should leave a legacy breeding dogs.

I agree whole heartedly!

Blanketback · 02-05-2013, 10:43 AM

I think the different points of view run deeper than simply dividing breeders vs pet owners. Many of the nastier disagreements seem to be between pet owners overlooking the fact that we are all individuals with our own set of circumstances. What I want from my dog is vastly different from what my neighbor wants, for example, but we can enjoy our time together watching the dogs play by NOT discussing how to train them, lol.

**lhczth** · 02-05-2013, 11:04 AM

I obviously do not know every breeder on this site personally, but I do know a number of them and they were all pet owners first. Actually, most of them probably still are. I know at least Chris and I have dogs that will never be bred, never be titled, but still stay out their lives with us as our pets. So, I am not sure you can really separate the two easily.

Lies and Jackie, though, probably have brought up the most obvious areas of contention.

Then we also have those that are not breeders yet are also not strictly pet owners. They can be some of the most vocal about what should be and what should not be

02-05-2013, 07:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
cliffson1 Crowned Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,867	Breeder owners vs Pet owners Often we have discussions on subjects like breeding, puppies, and training, and have a wide spectrum of opinions that often turn nasty. In analyzing this, I have come to realize that pet owners and breeder owners tend to look at things from a different perspective, thus point of view. Just like the habits and norm of running a house by a childless couple and a family with kids would vary greatly in many areas, it doesn't mean there is a singular right and wrong on how to do it. It would seem to me that the opinions and habits of pet people more reflect their experiences, as opposed to breeder owners who should rightfully be more involved in all aspects of breeding, puppies, and training to be credible. People who buy food for two do so differently than people who buy for ten. The same approach for two often will not be as effective for ten. I would like to discuss some of the areas where perspectives may be different for breeders owners than pet owners, because in many situations the same advice is not always best.

02-05-2013, 09:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
Liesje Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 16,234	Well one thing that comes to mind is the double standard I see all the time. "Good breeders" are supposed to only own X-number of dogs, but at the same time are supposed to always take back a dog for any reason at any time and are not supposed to sell or re-home dogs that they are not using in their breeding program but give them all homes for life, no questions asks. Then there are threads about how hard it is to find good breeders and how rarely they breed dogs or have good puppies available.... __________________ Liesje & Nikon vom Blauen Horizont / Blue Horizon GSDs

02-05-2013, 09:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lilie Crowned Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Texas Posts: 8,937	I don't think a breeder has to make a living from breeding dogs. I think a breeder should leave a legacy breeding dogs. __________________ Hondo Von Dopplet L Bauernhof "Hondo"- GSD Lilie's Tug McGraw "Tug" - Golden Retriever Maggie - Mini Dachshund (Rescue) Lonestar - Texas Blue Lacy Funyon, Ashe, Soot - Barn Cats Scooter /1/2 Arabian, Shadow, Katie / APHA

02-05-2013, 11:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
lhczth Administrator & LOTR Addict Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 13,714	I obviously do not know every breeder on this site personally, but I do know a number of them and they were all pet owners first. Actually, most of them probably still are. I know at least Chris and I have dogs that will never be bred, never be titled, but still stay out their lives with us as our pets. So, I am not sure you can really separate the two easily. Lies and Jackie, though, probably have brought up the most obvious areas of contention. Then we also have those that are not breeders yet are also not strictly pet owners. They can be some of the most vocal about what should be and what should not be __________________ Lisa Clark Zu Treuen Händen Working German Shepherd Dogs *South Michigan SchH and Police Club*

02-05-2013, 09:14 AM	#3 (permalink)
shepherdmom Knighted Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Northern Nevada Posts: 2,317	You are leaving out rescuers who often see the worst of both the breeders and pet owners. They also have a different perspective. As a pet owner titles and sports mean less that nothing to me. All I want is a healthy dog. Our training needs are very different. For example I don't care if my dog walks right by my side as long as he doesn't rip my arm out of my socket, I am happy.

02-05-2013, 09:25 AM	#6 (permalink)
JohnD Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Doylestown, Pa. Posts: 82	Breeders work hard to make a living from their dogs as well as trying to give their dogs the time and love that they need. I hope they do!! Pet Owner for the most part are not making a living from their pets. So they should have more time to give the love and attention to their pets. At least we hope so.

02-05-2013, 10:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Blanketback Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,372	I think the different points of view run deeper than simply dividing breeders vs pet owners. Many of the nastier disagreements seem to be between pet owners overlooking the fact that we are all individuals with our own set of circumstances. What I want from my dog is vastly different from what my neighbor wants, for example, but we can enjoy our time together watching the dogs play by NOT discussing how to train them, lol.

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