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post #21 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-31-2013, 04:38 PM
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In my opinion, papers are a bare minimum. If you can't register the dog, then don't breed him. What dispute with the AKC? The AKC, will revoke a litter's registration in some cases. If you read the review they would say what happened on their discipline and oversite committee. It sounds complicated though. Someone would have to send in DNA I think and the sire would have had to have been DNA'd, and I don't know if there is an appeal process in that. If that was the case, then your pedigree might not be correct.

Another dispute might be that your dog's dam's breeder did not follow through with her agreement to the stud owner. The stud owner might have refused to register for lack of payment. If that is the case then the dam's owner was dishonest and sold dogs that she could not register and those dogs simply should not be bred. The owner of the stud deserves compensation, and, maybe they really are not the owner of the stud used. Who knows? Pedigree is in question.

See here's the thing, if you rescue or buy a puppy without papers, it is a pet. It is probably the result of someone breeding who shouldn't have been breeding. If you breed that dog, then you are breeding when you shouldn't be, and the only owners for the puppies you produce will be those who really do not mind if people have been dishonest or disreputable along the way.

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I used to think the same way about those "uppity up" people, but now I understand more about breeding and breeders and o will drop appropriate money for a well pedigreed/papered/health guaranteed puppy. Since I got Gus from a BYB I will be doing a health check for hips/elbows after 2 yrs because I don't have a pedigree to seek advice on I have no idea on what is even possible to come up. And now instead of saying they're uppity up I'd say they're well informed and responsible.

Plus, I THINK it would be easier to handle a dog with a breed health issue than one with a temperament issue. I don't know that from experience but I just feel it would seem that way. I could very well be wrong.


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Well, look at it this way. I have my mother's face and my father's temper. Anyone who knows the three of us notices that, and can see where they came from. But I also have my grandmother's hair color and my grandfather's depression. If you'd only seen my parents, you wouldn't know that these things were in my background. They may be possible chance outcomes of any "human breeding," but knowing that they are there in the genetics, you can see that the chance of passing these things on is greater.
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Ok so here's the deal! I am so sick and tired of the uppiedy ups saying you should not breed your dog because you don't have papers for your dogs... SO WHAT! ?
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I would also say neither. I have a purebred AKC registered dog and one of the best things about him is his perfect health (knock wood lol). He has never had a health issue in the three plus years he has been with us.

And knowing how easy it is to get a dog who has temperament issues, I want a breeder who can study a pedigree and know the lines generations back and see the potential issues and benefits in any particular breeding. This requires papers or a whole heck of a lot of trust that the second party in the breeding is being honest about his or her dog.

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Two dogs might have healthy hips and elbows themselves but if I didn't see papers there's no way of me knowing that they were relatives or something...I'd have to say neither too, sorry.


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I would prefer the healthy pup/dog. Papers do not mean anything to me, I have had only one dog in my life that has had papers and I don't even know where they are. I also don't think that just anyone should breed. Most of the time I don't even understand why someone would want to be responsible for finding suitable homes for 10 pups. I could never do it.

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getting a pup with papers from titled parents, proven
parents helps with not watering down the breed.
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Wow. I guess I'm uppity. I want papers and certifications. Wouldn't buy a pup from anyone without them...and without checking into breeder history or experience with the breed.

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