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Old 01-11-2013, 06:49 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I have a female CH, TEC, ( CAn GS temperment evaluation, HIC, almost ready for titles, OFA hips and elbows, her litter mate is entered in Westminster, and I spayed her, the ranting from so many was intense, I did things with her for fun and tests for the breeder, I couldn't believe the people who were nasty she wasn't bred, She is breed worthy but I am not a breeder, and spayed she is still a great pet and we continue playing at things...She is ready for CDX but my health is preventing our entering. She never had a litter.

Not all dogs need to be bred, not all people should breed, there is a lot of work involved, there are crazy people who wish to buy and may be irresponsible. I wish more people would think clearer
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:51 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I realize that all sounds horribly jaded and judgmental, but it really isn't personal. I don't care whether people keep their pets intact, as long as they don't allow any unwanted litters.

But I don't think it's wise to automatically assume that every person who posts here will be capable of that.
Look, this is a forum that is for the most part populated by people who just want the best for their dogs. The ones who decide to breed are basically folks who are determined to breed no matter what. Your post favoring the "neuter now" are not going to make any (or little) difference on this forum. What most "serious" GSD owners want (and I believe that most GSD owners on here are serious GSD owners) is insight, advice, voice of experience etc.

If "you" cannot assume that this forum is targeted and frequented by "serious" GSD owners, then this forum (for you), is no different than a craigslist forum.

I come here to read experienced advice on the raising of my GSD. I don't care whether I'm a first time poster or a multiple poster, I want fair and balanced opinions.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:34 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Look, this is a forum that is for the most part populated by people who just want the best for their dogs. The ones who decide to breed are basically folks who are determined to breed no matter what. Your post favoring the "neuter now" are not going to make any (or little) difference on this forum. What most "serious" GSD owners want (and I believe that most GSD owners on here are serious GSD owners) is insight, advice, voice of experience etc.

If "you" cannot assume that this forum is targeted and frequented by "serious" GSD owners, then this forum (for you), is no different than a craigslist forum.

I come here to read experienced advice on the raising of my GSD. I don't care whether I'm a first time poster or a multiple poster, I want fair and balanced opinions.
Let me add, you are correct (and I 100% agree) not everyone who posts on here is capable of managing their intact dog. For the most part, any owner who realizes this too late, generally will neuter/spay their dog after the first litter. We all, even the good intentioned ones, can make mistakes. However I bet that even those owners that had good intentions, probably made sure that the litter was placed well and not dumped.

This forum, to me, is an excellent resource for all things GSD and I would hate to see sound advice/opinion drowned out by generic save the doggie world rhetoric.
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Old 01-12-2013, 05:27 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Craig's list has a forum. Your Rant would be well served there.
But would it really? I mean....maybe I'm cynical, but I am greatly of the opinion that people hear what they want to hear. People these days are so used to hearing: "the truth is subjective," "whatever you want to believe is ok because you believe it which makes it valid," and that inherently makes people seek out what they already believe to be true, anything else is rejected. I think the majority of people who frequent a Craig's list forum wouldn't give two hoots about what some random person who disagrees with them thinks.
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Old 01-12-2013, 06:35 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I know I've posted this, but I'd like to add my annoyance..

O was non craigslist looking for a dog crate to see how cheap I could find one. And everyone is specifically asking for mix breeds? I want a Pitt mix or a Pomeranian/Chihuahua mix puppy. Why can't people just go to the humane society and get a nice homeless mix breed. They have a website and you can go in any day of the week and I'm sure you'll find a dog with part of the mix you want. Sorry, it was just frustrating
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What you mean is, people need to stop buying.
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:08 AM   #27 (permalink)
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There are two sides to every coin....on the one hand it is noble(???) to assume that new folks need to be informed of what they should or should not do, sometimes independent of the question they are asking; on the other hand there are many knowledgable people who aren't hardly posting anymore because of not wanting to debate with the puritanical element. So for the folks who need to be directed( and will accept the advice regardless of tact or content)...this is good. For others here to learn, maybe not as great. If at the end of the day both sides of the coin are irritated at perceived rude and tactless advice....then we are left with the preacher preaching to the choir instead of the congregation....maybe that's the way it ought to be....lol
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Old 01-12-2013, 08:33 AM   #28 (permalink)
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I agree with this. I am am average pet owner. I will never neuter my boy (unless its a medical issue). He is never out of my sight. I never plan to breed because he is unregistered, unpapered, and unpedigreed. I will never allow a situation in which he can escape, or one where he could breed (unless he is in my house I have eyes on him at all times.) I am very responsible in this area of my dog. Last thing I want is more puppies that never had a chance in the shelter.
You are NOT the average pet owner. An average pet owner is not part of an online forum because they love their dog/breed. Unfortunately we are the minority. The majority of people should have their pets spayed and neutered because they can't or won't take the steps needed to adequately prevent an "oops" litter.


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Title drew me in. I didn't take this as a 'preaching to the choir' post....or a preaching to anyone post. In my opinion, if you can't vent here with people who understand where you're coming from, then where CAN you vent?!
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I know I've posted this, but I'd like to add my annoyance..

O was non craigslist looking for a dog crate to see how cheap I could find one. And everyone is specifically asking for mix breeds? I want a Pitt mix or a Pomeranian/Chihuahua mix puppy. Why can't people just go to the humane society and get a nice homeless mix breed. They have a website and you can go in any day of the week and I'm sure you'll find a dog with part of the mix you want. Sorry, it was just frustrating
Because of this concept of "designer breeds", how it's been marketed by bybs with marketing savvy, got the concept out there, and trickled down to the scummiest bybs. I have a friend who has a something-or-another-doodle, that she paid $600 for. I remember after she got it, she was telling me and my other friend, whose family has a darn pretty decent history in breeding and confirmation, about it and like WE were crazy that we didn't know about "designer breeds".

Go back a page in this thread and you'll find my link for an "organization" that "legitimizes" these " designer breeds". And I agree with you - you want a mix, GO ADOPT.
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