Kristindsullivan, I would guess that any forum or discussion board that you go on with passionate dog lovers....will not support your breeding goals.
UNLESS you understand the pedigree's of your "twins" and how to match them, do the proper health testing, and possibly work the dogs for titles so you understand their strengths/weaknesses and whether or not they are actually breedworthy.
If you want other dog forum suggestions, pm me and I guarantee you every other board will post the same as the members here are.
Please try not to be defensive, because what is right is right, regardless. Open minded learning will help your "twins" and could even save their lives. Thank goodness you don't have brother and sister....then you would be asking a whole different set of questions....
I know this was not your question, but I do want to mention something as you brought it up in your post, and I did not hear anyone else mention it.
A huge part in the development of puppies is the imprinting they get from their dam. Since your bitches were separated from their dam so early this crucial time was missed. Perhaps their dam was not a good dam, and that she will pass on through her genes to her offspring. These girls can make good pets, but I would be very concerned with what type of a mother they will be. I am a breeder, and I wouldn't take that gamble even if they could be registered through AKC and had all the rest of the hoops covered.
Now to your question. I would not worry yet, some bitches go in late, and some have very minor first heats that can be missed.
I have found help elsewhere so consider this post / question closed! I do not wish to hear any more of your opinions. The question was simple. The rest is my business not yours.
To the last poster - they got plenty of dam time. As you read my friend owns her and we were all there pretty much every day for the puppies to be with mommy and siblings. Mom did great for 5 weeks but she was a small GSD while dad was a very large GSD. The result was 8 very large babies. She got tired. Not her fault. If she had been paired with a similar size male then I think the outcome would have been different.
You all love to jump to conclusions! I said I took them from my friend. Never said they were not with their mom every day. They still see mom and dad at least 3 times a week actually.
At 5 weeks, they were in the weaning period/should have been already weaned, as is normal.
Can't believe you want to breed your dogs. My confidence in your competence in this matter is low :-/ Just because you bred other things doesn't mean you did it well.
It really does not matter what they see now, and if they saw their dad at all. There is imprinting that a bitch does with her pups that happens during the neonatal stages. 5 weeks is young, but so long as the bitch did well with them up to five weeks you are probably ok, certainly not ideal though.
Seeing their dam and living with their dam and litter are totally different things. The dam imprints temperament, and prior to about 3 weeks when the socialization period actually starts, after the eyes and ears are open, the way the dam responds to stimuli effects how the pups will react to different situations. How the dam acts toward her puppies throughout the first 7-8 weeks can determine how the pups will respond to their own pups.
Just because you no longer want to participate in this thread, someone else can get information they need out of it, and posting a thread on a internet forum often takes on a life of its own. I am not surprised that your welcome here was not to your liking. I would encourage you to stick around and learn more about the breed and breeding and raising puppies.
It is SELZER, ok. That is my name. ok? No T in there.
No one is being cruel to you and I wasn't being judgmental. I was bringing up something that you might not have considered. In future, or wherever else you go, if you do not want people to consider the rest of the story, maybe try posting a question that does not include all that information, like,
I have two 11 month old puppies, littermates. They haven't gone into heat yet. Should I be concerned?
When you go on about when you got them and what you plan to do with them and how they aren't registered, and how the people you got them from are not breeders, and how it was an oops litter and on and on and on, you are asking people to get into a tizzy.
It's midnight and my internet connection turns into a pumpkin when my dad throws me out, but I would sure enjoy going back and forth about this with you.
My pups are usually weaned naturally by their dam when they are ready. All of them continue to get at least some of their total intake from the dam beyond five weeks. Some people want to get the dam's coat back and will go through a weaning program where they remove her for a number of hours and increasing time, until she is dry. I don't do this. I think it really depends on the female. I think what they get from the litter and the dam between 5-8 weeks is a lot though whether milk is involved or not.
Just remember carriesue - you people started this! Simple question and you all jumped up my rear end! Maybe I wouldn't have gotten pissy if you all hadn't provoked it. None of you know me or my dogs so you really have no grounds to get all worked up because someone wants to breed their dog!
Just remember carriesue - you people started this! Simple question and you all jumped up my rear end! Maybe I wouldn't have gotten pissy if you all hadn't provoked it. None of you know me or my dogs so you really have no grounds to get all worked up because someone wants to breed their dog!
I think that as a German Shepherd Dog site, you have to expect people to be on here that want to preserve and protect the breed. The worst thing to happen to our breed in recent years has been indiscriminate breeding producing dogs with poor temperament and and excess of health problems that contribute to the poor reputation our breed has. Another terrible thing is how many of our breed land in shelters and rescues each year. So when someone comes on with statements that reek of lack of knowledge about the breed and breeding dogs, you can't expect people to jump for joy and welcome you and affirm what you intend to do with your bitches.
I may be learning still but as my girls are healthy, good conformation, great temperament and will get their tests when they are old enough, how am I doing anything different from others? Oh, I forgot. My girls are not registered. Because registered dogs are the only ones that pass on good genes and better lines right? Please!
Without registration, you have no way of knowing who is behind your bitches. How can you make good breeding decisions for your bitch if you don't know whether or not you are inbreeding, what you should stay away from, etc. How do you know how closely related the sire and dam were?
And who will you sell your dogs to? The best homes will want the papers. So now you are limiting yourself to homing dogs without papers, which means you have to find excellent homes that simply do not care if their dog is purebred or not. Most of us know 2-4 people that want a puppy. What if your bitch gives you 14? The more the merrier?
Papers don't make the dog, but a dog without papers should not be bred, hands down. So, sorry, if you are intending to breed dogs without AKC or SV registration in the US, Canadian Kennel Club in Canada, then you are adding to the problem. That is all people need to know to come up with the conclusions they are coming up with.
AKC registration does not mean the dog is breedworthy, far from it, but without being eligible for AKC registration the dog is not breedworthy. There is just no way around it.
And again, that's your opinion. Where I live, people want this breed for hunting, farming and herding. My girls are doing really well with herding and hunting is next. I'm sure they will have no problem there either. The rest of their litter had no problem being placed with great homes and there were 8. I have a fairly large list of people that are overly impressed with my girls and are patiently waiting years for their offspring. I will have no problems finding great farming / hunting homes for these dogs!
Oh and I actually do know where the dam and sire came from and they are completely non-related. Knowing that it will be fairly easy to make sure there is no inbreeding.
Ok...so why are you breeding your dogs. What can you give people that other more qualified breeders are not doing? Why should I buy a german shepherd from you rather than getting one of the many dogs with no home from a shelter? Breeding in this situation makes people angry who care about animals because there doesn't seem to be a reason. Why pay for a dog whose breeder gives so little thought to the process? Many people on here work for rescues who see dogs abandoned all the time. The world does not have a dog shortage. Don't add to the problem
As I said in my last post, you don't like what you read ignore it.
That's great someone is helping you behind the scenes I just hope it is someone with sound advice.
Whether you take their advice or not is up to you. Sometimes posters come on here with questions and do not like the answers nor advice, they are looking for validation and get ticked off when they don't get it..Nothing anyone can do about closed minded people.
You may have a couple of the greatest dogs on earth but the reality is, they can never be 'registered' nor shown like your rabbits and goats
I'm not trying to be harsh, but I will say this, your attitude comes off as being 'knowlegeable' about breeding etc, yet you couldn't answer your own question? That tells me you have alot to learn about 'dog breeding'.
You don't have to post here, but you can always read some of the topics this forum has, the issues people have had, breeding problems had and what makes one a responsible breeder and learn something from them.
Just a quick thought. The OP can register them with the "joke" organizations, mainly Continental Kennel club. Most pet stores are now buying puppies with Continental Kennel Club papers because they have no restrictions and any back yard breeder can get them on their dogs. So, she can breed her wonderful dogs, register them Continental Kennel Club and sell a bunch of back yard bred puppies. Yea, great.
. Your rabbits and such win shows, would that be 4-H shows or county fairs?
You won't be showing or competing at AKC shows with your dogs. You can't just "talk to someone about registering them" with AKC, the sire/dam had to be fully registered before breeding, then the litter registered. But, as I stated above, there are many many "joke" registries made just for "breeders" like you who want to register the dogs before breeding so they can make more money on selling the puppies.
Also, your girls are LITTERMATES, not TWINS................ At least get that much correct when becoming a breeder of dogs.
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